The ridiculous thing is that it isn't just our defence that has been letting us down .. the attack over-ran Spartak in Moscow, but didn't put away their chances, ditto Sevilla both home and away, we had another 4-5 gilt edged chances last night and failed to take them (3 one-on-ones and one ball right across the goal that just needed a touch, plus a few ballsed-up breaks) regardless of what was happening at the other end of the pitch. The attack can be brilliant at times but they, collectively, have been missing far too many opportunities to put the game to bed and by doing so keep the opposition in the game and raise their confidence levels.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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When is he going to write that book on how to defend?
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/klopp-i-could-write-a-book-defending
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/klopp-i-could-write-a-book-defending
Yeah I think Rashford would've been a good option for you in that game.
You were definitely higher up the pitch against us, I'm just surprised he didn't do more to unsettle our back line. I think you're right that Fellaini would've made a difference.
So does a wendy house.Also, is it just me, or did Karius play really well today?
He made two really good saves: a 1-on-1 in the first half that he pushed on the post, and a close range shot in the second half that he saved and then hit the crossbar. He wasn't to blame for any of the 3 goals either.
IMO he has a higher ceiling than Mignolet. I doubt he'll ever be a great goalkeeper, but I think he can be a good one.
Rashford had returned injured from England iirc
Different kettle of fish playing us at Anfield though. He knows how much the crowd would have been up for it, especially against our fiercest rivals, & probably wanted to reduce any encouragement an open game would have provided. Sensible management imo.
Ah yes that's right. Wasn't fit enough to start at least.
I don't really get the point in constantly criticising the defenders with the way Liverpool play. They push up and they leave space, and they are also very direct so much more liable to give up possession in situations where the opposition have space to exploit.
They play to make the game open. They clearly work a lot more on that than on any defensive organisation. They concede a lot of goals because of this, or from situations where the whole team fails to defend as a unit. Or goals due to individual errors where if it was another team they would have cover in the same situation as where Liverpool don't.
You could take a worse set of defenders than what Liverpool have and turn them into a much better defensive unit. It's just not how Klopp wants the team to play.
It's also not a problem playing that way if you're winning 4-0 or even 4-3. Liverpool aren't that far off really. Problem they have is that their players as a whole just aren't quite good enough to pull it off. Especially when you have Pep and City doing a far superior version of what is basically the same thing.
They play to make the game open. They clearly work a lot more on that than on any defensive organisation. They concede a lot of goals because of this, or from situations where the whole team fails to defend as a unit. Or goals due to individual errors where if it was another team they would have cover in the same situation as where Liverpool don't.
You could take a worse set of defenders than what Liverpool have and turn them into a much better defensive unit. It's just not how Klopp wants the team to play.
It's also not a problem playing that way if you're winning 4-0 or even 4-3. Liverpool aren't that far off really. Problem they have is that their players as a whole just aren't quite good enough to pull it off. Especially when you have Pep and City doing a far superior version of what is basically the same thing.
He's very much like a hammer (him being a tool jokes aside) in that he only knows one way to play football, which is to bludgeon teams to death by attack. He sets his teams up to transition from defence to attack and overload the opponent with an influx of midfielders and forwards. When this doesn't resort in a goal glut sufficient to out way the opponents then he's fecked.
He has no plan B, no change in formation or tactics if the opponent can't be broken down. Even when his plan succeeds and he goes 3-0 up he is so tactically inept that he can't get his teams to defend, because he simply doesn't understand how to. Instead he just keeps on attempting to hammer at the opponent, attack, attack, attack. It's really quite hilarious.
He has no plan B, no change in formation or tactics if the opponent can't be broken down. Even when his plan succeeds and he goes 3-0 up he is so tactically inept that he can't get his teams to defend, because he simply doesn't understand how to. Instead he just keeps on attempting to hammer at the opponent, attack, attack, attack. It's really quite hilarious.
Would be called "How to defend with gegenpress".
Chapter 1.
When you gegenpress all the time you win the ball on opposition half and they never get near your goal.
Chapter 2
If your players gets tired just substitute your defenders for some midfielders and gegenpress some more.
Chapter 3.
If you concede a goal blame it on the wind, the ref or United for scoring an offside goal.
The end
Their goals mostly has nothing to do with the shape whatsoever. It's individual stupid errors. Moreno chasing ball without staying with his man has little to do with the way they approach the game, his lazy penalty has little to do with it either and nor does letting in goals after flick ons from the near post.
Granted they set themselves up to be exposed, I agree with that. But it's individual stupid errors that cost them just as much.
During the period of pogbas absence our link between midfield and attack has been dreadful
Miki has rightfully got the chop
Very frustrating period for us
I do not consider anyone a great manager when they are unable to remotely organise a defence. A great manager does both, Klopp cannot do that.
Yeah but most teams concede these types of errors in games. Chelsea are a fairly solid unit yet Cahill regularly gifts the opposition the ball in dangerous areas, or gets caught day dreaming. Both him and Luiz will go charging for balls they are never going to get near...and when their defence is left exposed (e.g. when they are chasing the game like they were against Roma), they can just as easily look like a bunch of clowns.
United have I think the best defensive record in the league over the past year or so, yet we cannot defend a set piece correctly to save our lives...not because we have bad or good defenders, but because we can't seem to organise ourselves as a team to do it.
The way Liverpool play just leaves them far too open to be expecting the defenders they have to not make silly errors that cost goals. I'm not convinced some of ours would be any better in the same circumstance. They don't monopolise the ball, or create enough or apply enough pressure to scare or push the opposition into not attacking them, and they don't have a back line of world class players to get away with letting opposition players go straight at them without protection.
I don't think it's just a problem with the defenders. If you swapped City and Liverpool's defences over for example, the two teams definitely wouldn't swap places. If you swapped their midfield and forwards over instead, they might. So it seems weird to just blame the defence all the time.
Excellent.
Don't forget the beautiful human being that is Kolo Toure. He'd have brought some much needed beautiful character to the back line.
wtf is he getting so excited about, there were 2-0 up after 27 minutes. It's not like it was 3-3 after 95, after all.
I agree with most of this.
Contrary to popular opinion, I think Liverpool would suffer if part of the team's potency upfront was sacrificed to provide better defensive solidity, without bringing in better players.
LMFAO. If only we could not lose more than one goal even if it meant losing our unbeaten CL record so far.
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"Manager calls for sense of perspective after Liverpool’s second-half collapse in Seville and insists before visit of Chelsea he trusts his team implicitly"
Keep trusting them Kloppy, you've got incredible GKs and a top defence.
Keep trusting them Kloppy, you've got incredible GKs and a top defence.
Getting far too little flack for their poor run of form.
Moaning at the ref.
Usual stuff.
Usual stuff.
Not subbing in Mane earlier was a shocking decision.
Klopp begins post match interview by blaming ref for not letting Liverpool do the sub earlier and saying that, that cost them goal as he was going to change system 
So the draw is blamed on the ref not allowing Jurgen to make his changes as he was taking too long. Also don't get what he achieves from screaming at the fourth official. I've very rarely seen a ref change his mind as a result of his fourth official being screamed at.
Oh, and a slight dig at Chelsea "playing really deep with 8 at the back"
Oh, and a slight dig at Chelsea "playing really deep with 8 at the back"
He's always got an answer.
Always whining about everything. He would do well in our league.
Probably the most unluckiest manager in the universe.
What did he say? @ the thread title.
@ the thread title.Mourinho would not have got any grief from the resident klopp hipsters on here had he said that. Nope, not a jot.
He had the players on the pitch to change to a back five.
He ended up with:
Milner Gomez Matip Klaaven Moreno
All of which were on the pitch when Chelsea scored.
All he had to do was to tell someone on the pitch to set up in a five.
He ended up with:
Milner Gomez Matip Klaaven Moreno
All of which were on the pitch when Chelsea scored.
All he had to do was to tell someone on the pitch to set up in a five.
Drops 2 of his best attackers at home v a top 4 rival then blames the ref for dropping points.
Somehow the coverage will be kind to him..
Somehow the coverage will be kind to him..
Maybe if he wasn't bouncing all around the place and playing to the gallery he could have made the changes. He is wasting his time trying to get the crowd to make noise.
Clown.
Fully assimilated into The Scouse now.
klopp the clown..
imagine what the media will write about mourinho if he drop a fit pogba and Rashford against our rivals..
imagine what the media will write about mourinho if he drop a fit pogba and Rashford against our rivals..
Liverpool vs the big clubs so far.
5 points in 3 matches at home. 0 points in two away matches with a goal difference of - 8.
5 points in 3 matches at home. 0 points in two away matches with a goal difference of - 8.
Blame the ref that's a good idea.
Lol! What a fecker!Klopp begins post match interview by blaming ref for not letting Liverpool do the sub earlier and saying that, that cost them goal as he was going to change system
always the victims