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Remaining in Europe is certain, remaining in the EU is impossible now (ask Paul the Wolf); the 'milk has been spilled' with Brexit, there is no going back, no returning it to the bottle...but some attempt to 'mop-up' and to signal to the EU we would like to do business in whatever way we can, is a reasonable position for Starmer to take at this stage, especially as polls seem to suggest some people are regretting they voted for Brexit.

Starmer knows a majority of the red wall voters were Brexiteers, at least they voted for leaving; if a significant number of these are now regretting that decision and the Tories 'leveling up' policy is on its way to Rwanda, then it makes perfect sense for him to give a nod towards the EU and recapture these precious votes.

However, with all that's going on now and with whats to come, I cannot see Starmer making a bid to re-entry the EU (or any other party for that matter) a priority, but he will try to do business on whatever level he can.
That's what I mean by him not understanding how the EU works. And how him and the country have been brainwashed into thinking there's some kind of menu you can pick from.

He was awful as Corbyn's Brexit secretary from 2016 onwards. I suspect deliberately placed there by Corbyn as a rookie MP and understanding zilch about the EU. His double referendum nonsense and only agreeing to to deal if the UK had the same benefits inside or outside the EU. He still doesn't understand. The Uk is outside the SM and the Customs Union. He doesn't understand what that means.

The Uk are not getting back in any time soon, but they're wasting ten or fifteen years before starting to edge back to what will be inevitable, eventually. He wants the highest sustainable growth in the G7. How is this possible? It's going to get much worse when the grace periods end.
 

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That's what I mean by him not understanding how the EU works. And how him and the country have been brainwashed into thinking there's some kind of menu you can pick from.

He was awful as Corbyn's Brexit secretary from 2016 onwards. I suspect deliberately placed there by Corbyn as a rookie MP and understanding zilch about the EU. His double referendum nonsense and only agreeing to to deal if the UK had the same benefits inside or outside the EU. He still doesn't understand. The Uk is outside the SM and the Customs Union. He doesn't understand what that means.

The Uk are not getting back in any time soon, but they're wasting ten or fifteen years before starting to edge back to what will be inevitable, eventually. He wants the highest sustainable growth in the G7. How is this possible? It's going to get much worse when the grace periods end.
Him not understanding, and his position as Corbyn's Brexit secretary was perhaps a case of Starmer using the old Nelson 'blind eye' to the telescope tactic.

You are quite right the UK will not be getting back into the EU soon, or indeed for the forseeable future, and alternatives will have to be found to try to improve the economy.
The world position in terms of politics and economics will change widely in the coming half century. New alliances are being formed, China, and if Russia can get out from under Putin's grave mistake of invading Ukraine, both will form a future power block, based on, or linked to, other interests in the middle east and southern hemisphere and the changes which are being touted at the moment. This emergence of a counterbalance to the west, will challenge the liberal politics of the Western Democracies and the influence of the 'mighty dollar'.
Add to that climate change pressures and emerging technologies such as AI, etc. the world will be a different place and the heavyweight consuming countries in mainland Europe will have to pay a high price.

Hence being a small collection of islands, to the north west of mainland Europe, and avoiding the worst of rising sea levels, might not be a bad place to be in 2050!!
 

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Him not understanding, and his position as Corbyn's Brexit secretary was perhaps a case of Starmer using the old Nelson 'blind eye' to the telescope tactic.

You are quite right the UK will not be getting back into the EU soon, or indeed for the forseeable future, and alternatives will have to be found to try to improve the economy.
The world position in terms of politics and economics will change widely in the coming half century. New alliances are being formed, China, and if Russia can get out from under Putin's grave mistake of invading Ukraine, both will form a future power block, based on, or linked to, other interests in the middle east and southern hemisphere and the changes which are being touted at the moment. This emergence of a counterbalance to the west, will challenge the liberal politics of the Western Democracies and the influence of the 'mighty dollar'.
Add to that climate change pressures and emerging technologies such as AI, etc. the world will be a different place and the heavyweight consuming countries in mainland Europe will have to pay a high price.

Hence being a small collection of islands, to the north west of mainland Europe, and avoiding the worst of rising sea levels, might not be a bad place to be in 2050!!
All countries do most of their trade with the countries nearest to them. The Pacific CPTTP is a white elephant, there's no trade deal with the USA - if there was it would be for the benefit of the USA, not the UK.
It will become more obvious in the next few years.

Being on low altitude islands with rising sea levels is not going to be an advantage. Of course the UK is moving to the Pacific, is it not? ;)
 

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All countries trade with the countries nearest to them. The Pacific CPTTP is a white elephant, there's no trade deal with the USA - if there was it would be for the benefit of the USA, not the UK.
It will become more obvious in the next few years.

Being on low altitude islands with rising sea levels is not going to be an advantage. Of course the UK is moving to the Pacific, is it not? ;)
There is no talking you around is there Paul? I think you might just have swiped that telescope from Starmer, but are looking through the wrong end :lol:.

All the best, off to the match!
 

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Remaining in Europe is certain, remaining in the EU is impossible now (ask Paul the Wolf); the 'milk has been spilled' with Brexit, there is no going back, no returning it to the bottle...but some attempt to 'mop-up' and to signal to the EU we would like to do business in whatever way we can, is a reasonable position for Starmer to take at this stage, especially as polls seem to suggest some people are regretting they voted for Brexit.

Starmer knows a majority of the red wall voters were Brexiteers, at least they voted for leaving; if a significant number of these are now regretting that decision and the Tories 'leveling up' policy is on its way to Rwanda, then it makes perfect sense for him to give a nod towards the EU and recapture these precious votes.

However, with all that's going on now and with whats to come, I cannot see Starmer making a bid to re-entry the EU (or any other party for that matter) a priority, but he will try to do business on whatever level he can.
He was the shadow Brexit Minister or whatever it was called...you don't have to cast your mind back that long to remember his 2nd referendum ploy.
 

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Labour rules out immediately packing Lords with party peers after election
Party’s leader in the Lords dismisses idea that Keir Starmer would rush through dozens of appointments


Labour has ruled out immediately packing the House of Lords with dozens of peers if Keir Starmer wins the next general election.

The Labour leader has already scaled back on his previous pledges to abolish the Lords and replace it with a fully elected second chamber in his first term.


Angela Smith, Labour’s leader in the Lords, said on Monday the party would need to “refresh our numbers” since the Tories have more than 100 peers in the upper chamber than Labour. However, she dismissed the idea that Starmer would rush through the appointment of his own peers after an election win.

Smith told the House magazine: “The idea that Keir Starmer is on day one going to have a list of 100 people to put here is cloud cuckoo … If you look at the numbers at the moment, the Tories have over 100 more than us, and they still lose votes.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...tely-packing-lords-party-peers-after-election

So we have gone from reform, to adding new Labour peers, to now keeping the status quo and having a Tory majority in the upper house.

I give up.
 

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I keep checking this thread... is there anything left wing about Starmer?
 

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He's named after the founder of the Labour party.
Hardie was part of the Independent Labour Party, an openly marxist organisation (Marx's son-in-law was there at its founding).

Th eultimnate irony is that had he been alive today, starmer would expel him from labour.
 

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Keir Starmer considers scaling back Labour’s £28bn green plans
Labour is considering scaling back ambitious plans to borrow £28bn a year to invest in green jobs and industry amid fears the Conservatives will use the policy as a central line of attack in the general election campaign.

The Guardian understands that Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves will discuss the party’s flagship economic policy next month, with senior Labour figures pushing to drop the £28bn commitment entirely while others want to retain key elements of the plan.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-scaling-back-labour-28bn-pounds-green-plans
 

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Grown up politics is back!



Labour reportedly considering offshoring asylum seekers’ claims

Labour is reportedly considering a scheme that would see asylum seekers’ claims processed elsewhere.

Keir Starmer is mulling “detailed plans” for an offshoring scheme as he seeks to deter Tory attacks on Labour’s alternative to the Rwanda plan, the Times said on Monday. The Labour leader has previously dismissed the plan to deport people to the African nation as a “gimmick” and made clear his party’s opposition.

However, the shadow home secretary, Yvette Cooper, and shadow immigration minister Stephen Kinnock have reportedly been speaking to asylum experts, former home secretary David Blunkett and other European countries to draw up an alternative proposal to tackle small boats crossings in the Channel.

Under the plan, asylum claims would be processed overseas, with successful applicants allowed to come to the UK.

While explicit backing for an offshoring scheme would mark a significant shift for Labour, Starmer did signal earlier this month that he would not be opposed to considering such an approach.

“Other countries around the world do have schemes where they divert people on the way and process them elsewhere. That’s a different kind of scheme,” he told reporters after a speech in Buckinghamshire. “And, look, I’ll look at any scheme that might work.”

Labour has been contacted for comment about the report, which claims that the party has drawn up “three tests” for the scheme – that it is cost-effective, credible enough to deter migrants and would avoid the legal challenges that have delayed the Rwanda plan.

The prime minister, Rishi Sunak, and the home secretary, James Cleverly, are hoping fresh legislation, now in the Commons, will be enough to revive the flagship policy after it was declared unlawful by the supreme court earlier this year.


A Labour “red line” would be any scheme that would automatically block migrants being granted asylum in the UK, according to the Times, and British officials would be required to be in charge of processing claims.

This is not the first time the party has looked at such an approach.

In the early 2000s, Blunkett and the Tony Blair government were believed to be in talks with Tanzania about the possibility of housing asylum seekers in the country while claims were processed in the UK.

Blunkett told the Times: “What’s absolutely crucial is who is doing the processing and that they’re allowed back into the country. Without it, you’re merely transferring the problem on to somebody else. But if British officials are doing the processing, then you’ve got a scheme that fits with the conventions.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...horing-asylum-seekers-claims?CMP=share_btn_tw
 

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Labour election win would lift downtrodden UK, Keir Starmer to say
In a speech in the west of England, Labour leader will say he wants British people to believe in politics again

A Labour win at this year’s election will improve the mood of “a downtrodden country”, Keir Starmer will say, as he hopes to inject a note of optimism into what is set to be one of the most bitterly fought campaigns in recent history.

The Labour leader will set out his pitch to voters at a speech in the west of England on Thursday marking the beginning of what Labour believes will be a five-month lead-up to the election.

After a series of policy U-turns which have left many Labour activists dismayed, Starmer will insist that the party will change the country should it return to power, thanks to its commitment to public service.

But as his senior officials rush to finish the party’s manifesto by the end of this month, Starmer will warn his supporters not to hope for the kind of eye-catching policies they have promised in previous years, which he will dismiss as “gesture politics”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...would-lift-downtrodden-uk-keir-starmer-to-say
 

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Starmer quite rightly taking the stance of fighting political nepotism and cronyism.

Hopefully one of the reporters at this speech asks him which of Wes Streeting's partner, Sue Gray's son and Rachel Reeves' sister was going to play the biggest part in his government's fight.
 

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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...0825b4df60dbba#block-65969c158f0825b4df60dbba

Starmer- The first lever that we want to pull, the first place we will go, is growth in our economy because that’s what’s been missing for 14 years. Without growth, we won’t have the money to run our public services … That’s why we’ve put all of our focus on growth and the economy.


So everything in Starmer's missions is wholly dependent on growth - whilst not explaining how growth is going to come about. Maybe a veterinary agreement with the EU? (for the NI Protocol) will give the UK the most sustainable growth in the G7 - really?
 

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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...0825b4df60dbba#block-65969c158f0825b4df60dbba

Starmer- The first lever that we want to pull, the first place we will go, is growth in our economy because that’s what’s been missing for 14 years. Without growth, we won’t have the money to run our public services … That’s why we’ve put all of our focus on growth and the economy.


So everything in Starmer's missions is wholly dependent on growth - whilst not explaining how growth is going to come about. Maybe a veterinary agreement with the EU? (for the NI Protocol) will give the UK the most sustainable growth in the G7 - really?
Baffling that no politician has marketed trickle up economics.
 

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He went from basically appointing himself Cronyfinder General during the speech, to acknowledging that he hasn't bothered looking into Mandelson's links to Epstein in the seven months since it was last brought up to him in the Q&A after it.

Forensic as feck and you haven't even got to bring up the Starmer Party's candidates at the next election including his Shadow Chancellor's sister, his Chief of Staff's son and his Shadow Health Secretary's partner.
 

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He's genuinely evil I think, doesn't give a flying feck who he deals with, what lies he tells or who he steps on for his whiff of power. He's a conman who will probably ruin the labour party for a generation.
 

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You don’t realise Starmer is playing 4d chess by going to Murdoch garden parties and dropping all his left wing pledges. He is tricking the right into voting for the Labour Party.



Also

Labour would also use artificial intelligence to identify absence trends by “joining up existing records for children and improving coordination between education, social care and the wider services that support families”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-absence-in-england-with-home-school-register
Just meaningless techno bullshit.
 
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