Yes. He definitely should do that. So we don't have to dislike him at LiverpoolThat would be a horrible decision. He'd be in demand for some of the top jobs in football, but he should go to Newcastle and work for Mike Ashley?
Precisely. All this talk is nothing but wishful thinking/standard Liverpool delusion.Doesn't make any sense. Why would Klopp or Ancelotti go to a non CL club in serious decline.
LvG did itDoesn't make any sense. Why would Klopp or Ancelotti go to a non CL club in serious decline.
To be fair us Liverpool fans don't actually know what to make of this speculation at the moment. We're just in pain, awe, surprise. And probably looking to have it all end in anti-climax anyway.Precisely. All this talk is nothing but wishful thinking/standard Liverpool delusion.
I don't see any white text!LvG did it
I think he can.Everybody calm down. He can't turn those Liverpool players into good players.
We had just won the league 14 months earlier and had a ton of money to spend.LvG did it
You could argue Liverpool came close a season ago too and they could probably give him some money.We had just won the league 14 months earlier and had a ton of money to spend.
True but you said no cl and and declineWe had just won the league 14 months earlier and had a ton of money to spend.
He made them all. He bought well at the beginning, and developed some players to world beaters during his time.It should be noted that Dortmund's team during Klopp's time was some levels above this current Liverpool team. Not to downplay Klopp's success - he did a brilliant job - but I don't think his appointment will magically change Liverpool's current fortunes. They'll improve, yes, but they'll still be rank outsiders for a Top 4 position.
Close but not Cigar.You could argue Liverpool came close a season ago too and they could probably give him some money.
He doesn´t need to turn them into good players. They are good players. Whether that means he´d have success is a different story. He certainly started with much less talent at Mainz (duh) and Dortmund. People think of Liverpool as #5, but I doubt Klopp looks at it that way. He knows the squad has some very good players and the war chest is sufficient. He has done a lot more with a lot less.I think he can.
There will be no "rebuild" at Liverpool after what they've spent in the last two Summer windows. A new manager would more or less have to work with what's there, or finance any purchases by selling.Brilliant manager. Took Dortmund from nobodies to a team I will still remember in twenty years time.
And to be honest, if you step back and forget we are talking about Liverpool for a moment, it is a pretty enticing job:
- It's a team that obviously needs a rebuild, with a fresh style of playing football
- They have money to buy talent, especially with the new TV deals.
- Their squad isn't exactly crap, just incredibly unbalanced with no defined style and tonnes of underachieving potential.
- Huge amount of history and large fanbase
- Good resources and training facilities
- Respectable reputation in a strong league
- They are still in a position to handpick players from smaller clubs
A manager could go there, have complete control over a rebuild and turn himself into an Anfield legend within a few years. More enticing (to me at least) than jumping on the Madrid Managerial Merry-go-round or taking over a team that already dominates it's league every year (Bayern/PSG).
That's not really an option, they haven't bought to a plan and now they're left with an incoherent mess. SAF might be able to drag that side to a title, Mourinho to 4th pace but they're the only ones.There will be no "rebuild" at Liverpool after what they've spent in the last two Summer windows. A new manager would more or less have to work with what's there, or finance any purchases by selling.
One thing you forgot to add as a negative and what hampers each new manager and outweighs all of the above = Fan Expectation, their arrogance and complete delusion will lead to unbearable pressure on Klopp and the team once they start getting positive results.Brilliant manager. Took Dortmund from nobodies to a team I will still remember in twenty years time.
And to be honest, if you step back and forget we are talking about Liverpool for a moment, it is a pretty enticing job:
- It's a team that obviously needs a rebuild, with a fresh style of playing football
- They have money to buy talent, especially with the new TV deals.
- Their squad isn't exactly crap, just incredibly unbalanced with no defined style and tonnes of underachieving potential.
- Huge amount of history and large fanbase
- Good resources and training facilities
- Respectable reputation in a strong league
- They are still in a position to handpick players from smaller clubs
A manager could go there, have complete control over a rebuild and turn himself into an Anfield legend within a few years. More enticing (to me at least) than jumping on the Madrid Managerial Merry-go-round or taking over a team that already dominates it's league every year (Bayern/PSG).
I disagree. I think that he should go at League Two. Or probably Conference. He'll make a good team there.Should go to Newcastle. They've got a decent squad, with a total clown at the wheel currently. He could turn them into a counter attacking machine.
It'll probably be Liverpool though. The timing is pretty much on point, considering Rodgers is most probably on the cusp of getting binned.
Maybe, but the players he had obviously had heaps of natural talent. Lewandowski is one of the best strikers in the world, Gundogan one of the best midfielders, Hummels one of the best defenders - there's only so much nurturing a manager can do, a lot comes down to the players. Do you think Klopp can turn Benteke/Henderson/Firmino/Lovren into world class players? I don't.He made them all. He bought well at the beginning, and developed some players to world beaters during his time.
Nah it´s not. Liverpool was among the 10-15 richest clubs in Europe before the upcoming TV explosion. These analysts make it sound like Liverpool or Tottenham are some broke ass bitches, when they are two of the top 15 gigs in the world based on the available resources. They are underachievers.Close but not Cigar.
Moreno's little rant video is spot on imo.
http://www.espnfc.co.uk/barclays-premier-league/23/video/2627172/why-would-ancelotti-pick-liverpool
Not that every Klopp transfer is a slam dunk (Immobile, Ramos, Kampl, Perisic) but in seven years they barely ran an overall transfer deficit, while building a world class squad from scratch. The key players during his era:There will be no "rebuild" at Liverpool after what they've spent in the last two Summer windows. A new manager would more or less have to work with what's there, or finance any purchases by selling.
This year, of course. Next year will be a different matter IMO.It should be noted that Dortmund's team during Klopp's time was some levels above this current Liverpool team. Not to downplay Klopp's success - he did a brilliant job - but I don't think his appointment will magically change Liverpool's current fortunes. They'll improve, yes, but they'll still be rank outsiders for a Top 4 position.
Good point. And like I say, he will definitely improve them - he just has to, he's levels above Rodgers as a manager. But he's coming to a league where he's up against 4 clubs with greater financial power, and already strong, established squads. If he were to achieve 4th place, he'd have done a marvellous job, but there's very little chance of any sort of title challenge.This year, of course. Next year will be a different matter IMO.
When Klopp took Dortmund, they had a significantly weaker team than the current version of Liverpool. Fast forward 5 years, and they were winning their league and reaching UCL final. With around 0 net spent.
Of course natural talent must be there, but Lewandowski, Hummels and Gündogan were still relatively unknown and raw at the time Dortmund bought them. Sure they all had talent, but Kloppo made them what they are today. The list goes on and on. Subotic, Reus, Pisczek, Götze, Schmelzer, Bender, Sahin, Kuba. Sure some of them were highly rated, but it doesnt matter that they actually justified the hype to some extend. He will promote some youth palyers, turn them into good players and turn some of the crap into decent players too. Plus he will spend here and there to make the squad his squad.Maybe, but the players he had obviously had heaps of natural talent. Lewandowski is one of the best strikers in the world, Gundogan one of the best midfielders, Hummels one of the best defenders - there's only so much nurturing a manager can do, a lot comes down to the players. Do you think Klopp can turn Benteke/Henderson/Firmino/Lovren into world class players? I don't.
Like I say, he'll improve their football, that's almost certain, but 4th place will still be a real struggle.
How many bargains like that occur when it comes to EPL clubs, though?Nah it´s not. Liverpool was among the 10-15 richest clubs in Europe before the upcoming TV explosion. These analysts make it sound like Liverpool or Tottenham are some broke ass bitches, when they are two of the top 15 gigs in the world based on the available resources. They are underachievers.
Not that every Klopp transfer is a slam dunk (Immobile, Ramos, Kampl, Perisic) but in seven years they barely ran an overall transfer deficit, while building a world class squad from scratch. The key players during his era:
Mkhitaryan €27M
Reus €17M
Aubameyang €13M
Ginter €10M
Sokratis €9.9M
Gundogan €5.5M
Lewandowski €5M
Hummels €4M
Barrios €4M
Subotic €3M
S. Bender €1.5M
Kagawa 250k
Schmelzer free
Weidenfeller free
Großkreutz free
Piszczek free
Goetze youth
Sahin youth
Durm youth
Hofmann youth
Now their current squad is worth €300M.
But unknown players won't be afforded the time to bed in like they were when Klopp first took over at Dortmund. Liverpool are looking for immediate results. It took Klopp 2 seasons before he had them in full flow and challenging for titles. I'd be willing to wager it will take a lot longer than that in the PL.Of course natural talent must be there, but Lewandowski, Hummels and Gündogan were still relatively unknown and raw at the time Dortmund bought them. Sure they all had talent, but Kloppo made them what they are today. The list goes on and on. Subotic, Reus, Pisczek, Götze, Schmelzer, Bender, Sahin, Kuba. Sure some of them were highly rated, but it doesnt matter that they actually justified the hype to some extend. He will promote some youth palyers, turn them into good players and turn some of the crap into decent players too. Plus he will spend here and there to make the squad his squad.
Nah it´s not. Liverpool was among the 10-15 richest clubs in Europe before the upcoming TV explosion. These analysts make it sound like Liverpool or Tottenham are some broke ass bitches, when they are two of the top 15 gigs in the world based on the available resources. They are underachievers.
Not that every Klopp transfer is a slam dunk (Immobile, Ramos, Kampl, Perisic) but in seven years they barely ran an overall transfer deficit, while building a world class squad from scratch. The key players during his era:
Mkhitaryan €27M
Reus €17M
Aubameyang €13M
Ginter €10M
Sokratis €9.9M
Gundogan €5.5M
Lewandowski €5M
Hummels €4M
Barrios €4M
Subotic €3M
S. Bender €1.5M
Kagawa 250k
Schmelzer free
Weidenfeller free
Großkreutz free
Piszczek free
Goetze youth
Sahin youth
Durm youth
Hofmann youth
Now their current squad is worth €300M.
That´s true. There will be a premium for the EPL, but you can still find bargains. Dortmund was a CL finalist with a big war chest, when they spent €40M combined for Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan. Now they are probably worth €100M. And this summer they paid €1.5M for 19 year old Julain Weigl, who walked into their starting 11. Germany is full of such players. Milner would probably become the leader due to his age and experience. Besides him their squad is fairly young with guys like Sakho, Lovren, Moreno, Clyne, Henderson, Coutinho, Firmino, Llallana, Sturridge, Benteke and so on. He does better when he can push and mold young players.How many bargains like that occur when it comes to EPL clubs, though?
Reus, for example, when he was bought by Dortmund, had just had a similar season to De Bruyne, yet KDB goes for close to 60m when City come in for him.
Please. That´s simply not true, unless the EPL loses it´s 4th spot.Still he's right in that LFC would not be an attractive proposition to either Klopp or Ancelotti. They don't have a prayer of making the CL for the next few years and both managers would surely be looking at moving up, not down in the management world.