So? Did we ever get close to City during that time, or threaten their domination in any way, shape, or form? Nope. Pep's* City vs Klopp's Liverpool was the rivalry of the time, not us. During that period, they also finished with a higher points tally than we've ever had on multiple occasions. And that's before his achievements with Dortmund, of course.
You do see the irony in this right? Media have portrayed them to the best thing ever when in fact Chelsea have won more during his time here with multiple managers.
If all you see is trophies won and points totals, that's your fault.
It is a fair criticism considering how he's moronically behaved towards multiple journalists who had the temerity to not brown nose him in interviews.
Wtf does that even matter? Keep reading that he had more points than Fergie ever did too as some kind of point to show how amazing he is yet you can never compare points totals across different seasons anyway. It’s madness how much it’s pointed out he had ‘good points’
You don't get 97, 99 and 92 points in this current Premier League era without being one of the best club sides of the last few years, if not ever. Neither do you get to 3 Champions League finals in 4 seasons. And no average manager can reach this level either.
You don't think how many points won and goals scored paints a worthwhile picture of your season? Ole getting 74 points getting 2nd is obviously inferior to getting 97 points while finishing 1 point of first place. And Klopp had less money to work with than post Saf United managers. No you don't get a trophy for it but for it still shows the quality of your management and the team.
Liverpool being the media's darlings has no bearing on Klopp's standing as manager whatsoever. The fact is Liverpool were by and large lost at sea before Klopp, much in the same way we are now. He made them an elite team when before they were anything but. You don't have to like the guy to respect his work. He isn't exactly my favourite person either.
I think its just the natural aversion of man utd fans not wanting to talk up a Liverpool manager while we are still debating progress with Ten Haag.
I think points totals in certain seasons are totally over blown yes. Weak leagues, shit teams, no other competitions. Lots can affect it.
Ever?
that team finished below Ole's United and Ten Hag's United. Fergie never finished lower than 3rd in the PL. They are incomparable as managers.Correct
True about ole finishing 2nd over Klopp, but we also just knocked out Liverpool of the Fa Cup. Nobody here wouldn't honestly swap managers in an instant. Klopp has spent but still nowhere us or City and probably Chelsea.
No, I think they have had 2 of the greatest managers of all time in Paisley, and Shankly, but they won multiple trophies. Klopp won 1 EPL and 1 UCL, and a few domestic cups. 2nd is first loser, no matter how close you come. That counts both in the league and the Champions league.
EverEver?
Football is played on a much higher level than even 15 or 20 years ago, let alone several decades ago, so yes.Ever?
ExactlyEver
the exact nonsense I’m on about
The only nonsense is the opinion of insecure United fans in this thread. Don't worry, we will have better teams in the future than Klopp's best Liverpool sides. No need to rewrite history or to belittle their peak level and achievements in those 4 seasons.Ever
the exact nonsense I’m on about
But... That's not the debate. Nor is it whether he's a good/excellent coach.
He had several incredibly average finishes in the first division though before he got going.Ever?
Weird logic. I suppose that means the 2009 Barca team isn't as good as the 2024 Real Madrid team, as football is played on a much higher level now.
No, it isn't. Because if a random person who doesn't follow football checks wikipedia to see what Liverpool achieved under Klopp, I assume they'll have the same knowledge about it that you do? Judging by the logic you apply in your post, maybe they will.
I'm not sure that I haven't crossed over into RAWK with some of the BS on here. Winning is everything. This crap that he was a close loser is horseshite. I said the same thing when people were overblowing Poch.
Do any our Pool residents know what, if anything, has changed recruiting wise. I know Edwards has come back but your transfers were so good early days under Klopp for the most part and now seem as random as ours?
You're correct. It doesn't diminish what Barcelona achieved, but if they time travelled to 2024 and had to play City, Madrid, Arsenal, etc. without any preparation, they would lose. If you gave them a few months to train up to the current level, it would probably be different, though.
The hard part is getting the team over the line. You put a good team together you can amass points. Being able to take a team that extra step to winning things is what shows true quality.
Okay you have no clue. Fair enough.
Ah you're one of those. Good to know.
This is a weird take. You compare achievements relative to the context and time period in which they were achieved.
The type of scouse bootlicking that's straight out of Gary Neville's "Trent is a freak of a player and is miles better than I ever was" playbook.
Spot on. If it wasn’t for cheating Citeh they would have won a few more league titles.
Not even close. I think that football has regressed over the past few years. I honestly don't think there is a great side out there at the moment.
So would United. Klopp has finished 2nd to City just as many times as United have since City started cheating. The difference is we don't brag about finishing 2nd.
Nope, it doesn't work like that. There are too many variables to have absolutes in the "if" scenario. For example, if City didn't cheat, United may have won the Aguero goal title, changing the trajectory of top flight English football. If City didn't cheat, Brendan Rodgers may have won his title, and Klopp wouldn't even be with Liverpool potentially. Again, changing the trajectory of the league. There are a million things that would have happened before Klopp winning the league "if City didn't cheat".
