It's so bizarre.
Klopp to leave Liverpool at the end of the season
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Well in fairness, Bayern did dominate that final - but that was expected, we were without our 2 starting CMs and were probably running on fumes by then. CL finals aren't usually great games anyway, with some exceptions. It doesn't really matter because the way we won it was a wonderful summary of our summary and notably our run in.
The ages of his most frequent starters (the age they will turn this year, if they haven't already had their birthday):
.......... 32 .........
26 - 32 - 27 - 30
...... 31 - 26 ......
.. 32 - 24 - 27 ..
......... 25 ..........
Average age: 28.4
Frequently used bench options: 21, 23, 25, 25, 28
Only 3 players under 25 (this year) and two of them on the bench. 5 in the 30(+) category. All of them starters, 3 of them their best players.
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Hindsight is great, if they don't win it it's because he announced his decision to step down and if they do win it it's because he announced his decision to step down and it gave the players the kick they needed to win the league for him. There's no definite answer.
He had to announce it at some point and end of january isn't that early. It's not exactly an easy position to be in, it's not like he can let the higher ups know so they can start looking for a new manager and manage to keep everything a secret until the season is over. They've played 13 league games since his decision was made public, lost 3, 2 draws and 8 wins. A few weeks ago they looked like they were likely to win the league. They're 3 points behind Arsenal and there's still 12 points to play for. Manchester City are obviously favourites, but it's not like it's done and dusted yet. Considering the season they had last year it's not as if people had them as title contenders anyway.
It's going to be funny watching Sky on the final day try to do a Klopp love-in extravaganza without overshadowing a potential Arse title win or even 115 4 times in a row.
I hope he goes out like Gerrard did
I hope he goes out like Gerrard did
We became an attractive destination because players want success and players wanted to work with Fergie. We occasionally splashed out on big domestic players but we were never the #1 destination for players across Europe and South America, as most of the other leagues were in a much stronger position compared to what they are now. And when we did splash out, those players were used alongside a lot of squad filler and utility players. We never had the kind of star-studded, big money squads that we see now.
It's also worth pointing out that we were rarely the overwhelming favourites in any given competition. The CL was much stronger than it is now and we often had to put the utility players out for the League and FA Cup. We didn't have a second string of players like City that would compete for the league in themselves. Pundits were often predicting ours and Fergies downfall. Unlike today, where everyone knows City will walk the league year on year.
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Jammy as hell would be Barcelona beating Chelsea in 2009. And that's a kind way of putting it.
Did he speak after the Everton game? No twitching shrugfest?
He looked like he was going to cry, bless him and his little Turkey wig.
Was moaning that they only scored from free kicks or something shite.
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I completely agree. I dont think it contradicted anything i wrote though.
xPts has them 5 behind arsenal, and tied with City (but City have 2 games in hand).
I think that matches the eye test as well - Arsenal and City are better football teams, and win games more effortlessly. Liverpool win a lot of marginal games and eventually it catches up with you.
I think that matches the eye test as well - Arsenal and City are better football teams, and win games more effortlessly. Liverpool win a lot of marginal games and eventually it catches up with you.
Erm, they weren't on par though were they. They lost.
They’re like the Boston Celtics. Loads of jerking off over them and it sounds like they had a period of domination but it turns out they just won one each
From the way the media and their player talks, you’ll think they won the league and CL multiple times.
Greatest manager of all time. Won 1 EPL and 1 UCL. No one has ever topped that. He even beats Poch in the coming second cup. No one comes second as well as Klopp does.
Does anyone know what they were actually laughing at? Must have been funny!
But they were more successful in Europe, that should count for someone in terms of a comparison.
In the EPL, over those 4 seasons City had 358 points and Liverpool had 357. The difference was that two of the titles City won over Liverpool were by only 1 point.
Richards turning down 100k a week at City to go to Aston Villa and getting relegated
How were they more successful in Europe? Klopp won 1 in 9 years and so did City.
Yea in a 4 year period total points was tight, but in 3 years they still lost and why only look at 4 years and not the full 9?
Its weird how people are trying to push a narrative that Liverpool have been some unbeatable, dominant force that don't spend money.
Has Klopp done well - Yes
Have Liverpool been very good in 3 or 4 seasons - Yes
Have they been unbeatable - No
Have they been the best in the country - No
Have they spent a fortune - Yes (Over 800 Million spent)
Have other clubs also spent fortunes - Yes
Lets just be fair and accept the pros / cons without trying to fudge stats to paint a picture that isn't there.
The discussion was centered around those 4 years and a tweet. The tweet said they were an elite team in this 4 seasons but I mistakenly interpreted as saying they weren't. I then talked about how its nonsense they weren't elite because they matched City in those four seasons etc etc etc
Overall, over the 9 years, ofcourse City were more successful, no question.
The quad was never on. You need to be in the CL for that.
Jurgen ten Klopp if they finish 3rd as well. Doesn't look like they'll get many more points than us last season
I suppose you also think that Liverpool's 2000/2001 season where they won the FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup wasn't a real Treble?!?!
Okay, I thought that was nonsense so had to check. It's actually that close! Thank feck for Pep and his billions.
Of course not. They know that. They also know that the real Treble was what we stopped them from getting in '77.
When a elite manager left liverpool it took them 30 years to get back to their feet. Taking arsenal nearly 20 years now post arsene, manutd is still nowhere near after nearly a decade post fergie. This won't be easy with city and arsenal still around for them.
Yeah, I was kidding. Liverpool's best Treble remains their majestic League, UEFA Super Cup, Club World Cup haul in 2019/20.
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That's an incredible stat tbh. For me this is one of the reasons why succes in terms of trophies also has to be contextualised. Im bonkers though what contrast this is compared to Man utd post fergie. Over a billion spent and we've barely progressed beyond Moyes.
Not sure it's as black and white though. He's on the decline for sure, but United fans over the past decade will know how extremely difficult it is to get hold of a player that guarantees you those stats, season in and out. Rashford is a prime example of that struggle.
Don't watch Liverpool often but players that look good and are no older than 28: Arnold, Konate, Szoboszlai, Mac Allister, Diaz, Jota. Don't know about the others like Gakpo, Gravenberch. Quansah is rated it seems. Elliott as well. Choose a right manager and get right signings in the summer, Liverpool can still do well in next couple of seasons.
Surprised they don’t have him posting with the Quadruple he won, failing to mention it happened over 8 seasons. Sorry there was more than one League Cup.
All that stat really tells you is allowing city to openly cheat and leave them uncontested for so many years has made the league so one team heavy it’s basically a one team league and the gulf in class to the rest is massive.
Liverpool had their greatest run of form and team since the glory days. Any other time in football they would have created a dynasty for that period, the reality is they pushed Man City very close a couple of times and have very little to show for it.
Arsenal will be left thinking the same when these couple of years are over and the team needs rebuilding again.
Nobody cares about second best even if it’s proven first was cheating at a later date.
It's not as if he finished second behind City every season, he finished behind us multiple times ffs.
He is calling that team elite. The "not elite" side was the one after that in the tweeter's opinion, 2022-24. I definitely agree with that.
I'd put him 5th in the PL behind the 3 you listed plus Pep. I think it's difficult to argue that he should be higher or lower.
Saw posters on here calling him no better than the likes of Ranieri, Di Matteo, etc. because of the same number of PL/CL trophies won as them. Rawk levels of delusion tbh
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