Robbie Boy
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It's so bizarre.The daft mental smiling has become such a noticed parody. He looks like a total moron.
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It's so bizarre.The daft mental smiling has become such a noticed parody. He looks like a total moron.
Well in fairness, Bayern did dominate that final - but that was expected, we were without our 2 starting CMs and were probably running on fumes by then. CL finals aren't usually great games anyway, with some exceptions. It doesn't really matter because the way we won it was a wonderful summary of our summary and notably our run in.Yeah, I read the article and their chances didnt count so much in xg cause they took a lot of pot shots. Just shows xg something shows a lot but sometimes paints a wrong picture.
The ages of his most frequent starters (the age they will turn this year, if they haven't already had their birthday):The best thing about Klopp leaving might be that it also coincides with the squad needing major investment.
Hindsight is great, if they don't win it it's because he announced his decision to step down and if they do win it it's because he announced his decision to step down and it gave the players the kick they needed to win the league for him. There's no definite answer.Announcing his departure so soon is looking like one of the biggest managerial blunders ever. Put too much unnecessary pressure on his players.
We became an attractive destination because players want success and players wanted to work with Fergie. We occasionally splashed out on big domestic players but we were never the #1 destination for players across Europe and South America, as most of the other leagues were in a much stronger position compared to what they are now. And when we did splash out, those players were used alongside a lot of squad filler and utility players. We never had the kind of star-studded, big money squads that we see now.True a lot of that was because of the class of 92(fair play to Fergie for deleloping them) and Fergies bargains. Because of our stature though when we became the biggest club in Britain we've been the preferred destination for the best domestic players. Rio, Rooney, Keane and we even poached RVP off Arsenal(i know he is not a domestic player) player but we had advantages over the dippers and arsenal. Not really Chelsea and City when they became oil clubs.
Jammy as hell would be Barcelona beating Chelsea in 2009. And that's a kind way of putting it.Strange stuff coming from an United fan. 2 goals in added time isn't 'jammy as hell'. Bayern was the better time but that's football for you.
Its similar to me saying if Barcelona didnt completely fold in 2019 Liverpool wouldn't have won that CL. Jammy as hell.
As for the points its different times altogether and nobody remembers points total in the season they challenged compared to actual titles. Yes, he had to go toe to toe with City but then again Fergie was going for it 20+ years and there's no need to downplay it.
He looked like he was going to cry, bless him and his little Turkey wig.Did he speak after the Everton game? No twitching shrugfest?
Was moaning that they only scored from free kicks or something shite.Did he speak after the Everton game? No twitching shrugfest?
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I completely agree. I dont think it contradicted anything i wrote though.We became an attractive destination because players want success and players wanted to work with Fergie. We occasionally splashed out on big domestic players but we were never the #1 destination for players across Europe and South America, as most of the other leagues were in a much stronger position compared to what they are now. And when we did splash out, those players were used alongside a lot of squad filler and utility players. We never had the kind of star-studded, big money squads that we see now.
It's also worth pointing out that we were rarely the overwhelming favourites in any given competition. The CL was much stronger than it is now and we often had to put the utility players out for the League and FA Cup. We didn't have a second string of players like City that would compete for the league in themselves. Pundits were often predicting ours and Fergies downfall. Unlike today, where everyone knows City will walk the league year on year.
Erm, they weren't on par though were they. They lost.To call a team that reached 3 UCL finals, and winning one, and winning the EPL with other second place finishes, not 'elite' is batsh*t. They were on par with City those seasons.
For the EPL exclusively, he's obviously below Wenger, Fergie and Jose. Considering that whole career I think he would be on par with Wenger and maybe Jose, though he still may have another stint left in him at another club.
They’re like the Boston Celtics. Loads of jerking off over them and it sounds like they had a period of domination but it turns out they just won one eachA bit if disappointing return in the end for 'Pool and Klopp. Just one PL and one CL in eight full seasons is bit if a let down.
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But they were more successful in Europe, that should count for someone in terms of a comparison.Erm, they weren't on par though were they. They lost.
Richards turning down 100k a week at City to go to Aston Villa and getting relegatedDoes anyone know what they were actually laughing at? Must have been funny!
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This was on February 8th, by the way.
How were they more successful in Europe? Klopp won 1 in 9 years and so did City.But they were more successful in Europe, that should count for someone in terms of a comparison.
In the EPL, over those 4 seasons City had 358 points and Liverpool had 357. The difference was that two of the titles City won over Liverpool were by only 1 point.
The discussion was centered around those 4 years and a tweet. The tweet said they were an elite team in this 4 seasons but I mistakenly interpreted as saying they weren't. I then talked about how its nonsense they weren't elite because they matched City in those four seasons etc etc etcHow were they more successful in Europe? Klopp won 1 in 9 years and so did City.
Yea in a 4 year period total points was tight, but in 3 years they still lost and why only look at 4 years and not the full 9?
Its weird how people are trying to push a narrative that Liverpool have been some unbeatable, dominant force that don't spend money.
Has Klopp done well - Yes
Have Liverpool been very good in 3 or 4 seasons - Yes
Have they been unbeatable - No
Have they been the best in the country - No
Have they spent a fortune - Yes (Over 800 Million spent)
Have other clubs also spent fortunes - Yes
Lets just be fair and accept the pros / cons without trying to fudge stats to paint a picture that isn't there.
The quad was never on. You need to be in the CL for that.This was on February 8th, by the way.
I suppose you also think that Liverpool's 2000/2001 season where they won the FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup wasn't a real Treble?!?!The quad was never on. You need to be in the CL for that.
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This was on February 8th, by the way.
Okay, I thought that was nonsense so had to check. It's actually that close! Thank feck for Pep and his billions.But they were more successful in Europe, that should count for someone in terms of a comparison.
In the EPL, over those 4 seasons City had 358 points and Liverpool had 357. The difference was that two of the titles City won over Liverpool were by only 1 point.
Of course not. They know that. They also know that the real Treble was what we stopped them from getting in '77.I suppose you also think that Liverpool's 2000/2001 season where they won the FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup wasn't a real Treble?!?!
Yeah, I was kidding. Liverpool's best Treble remains their majestic League, UEFA Super Cup, Club World Cup haul in 2019/20.Of course not. They know that. They also know that the real Treble was what we stopped them from getting in '77.
CorrectI suppose you also think that Liverpool's 2000/2001 season where they won the FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup wasn't a real Treble?!?!
That's an incredible stat tbh. For me this is one of the reasons why succes in terms of trophies also has to be contextualised. Im bonkers though what contrast this is compared to Man utd post fergie. Over a billion spent and we've barely progressed beyond Moyes.But they were more successful in Europe, that should count for someone in terms of a comparison.
In the EPL, over those 4 seasons City had 358 points and Liverpool had 357. The difference was that two of the titles City won over Liverpool were by only 1 point.
Not sure it's as black and white though. He's on the decline for sure, but United fans over the past decade will know how extremely difficult it is to get hold of a player that guarantees you those stats, season in and out. Rashford is a prime example of that struggle.I think they'll be happy if they can cash in on Salah.. he will be good enough to contribute for a couple more seasons (at least), but I dont think his value will hold too long.. they need a rebuild.. if they get 100m+ for him, they'll be happy.
I would rather see him stay.
All that stat really tells you is allowing city to openly cheat and leave them uncontested for so many years has made the league so one team heavy it’s basically a one team league and the gulf in class to the rest is massive.But they were more successful in Europe, that should count for someone in terms of a comparison.
In the EPL, over those 4 seasons City had 358 points and Liverpool had 357. The difference was that two of the titles City won over Liverpool were by only 1 point.
It's not as if he finished second behind City every season, he finished behind us multiple times ffs.I'm not one to defend him, but he was competing with a state-backed Pep Guardiola and a club that made quick work of the rule book. And he gave it a good go. Relative to where Liverpool were before, I think it makes him one of the best, yes. Just as I would consider someone the best if they came in this summer and did the same to us. It would take something special.
He is calling that team elite. The "not elite" side was the one after that in the tweeter's opinion, 2022-24. I definitely agree with that.To call a team that reached 3 UCL finals, and winning one, and winning the EPL with other second place finishes, not 'elite' is batsh*t. They were on par with City those seasons.
For the EPL exclusively, he's obviously below Wenger, Fergie and Jose. Considering that whole career I think he would be on par with Wenger and maybe Jose, though he still may have another stint left in him at another club.