Without even involving La Liga, Payet was more rated in PL than he has every been in Ligue 1, same with Fuchs and the Bundesliga. When a player moves, he doesn't bring his team, manager and league with him.
Kylian Mbappe | PSG
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Mbappe scored 2 against City, 3 against BVB, 1 against Juve when most of the Monaco team looked just poor.
I guess City and Dortmund aren't good teams.
Why is that worth pointing out in this context? We're not discussing his record or history in the CL here. That's another discussion for another thread.
Firstly, no one is saying that Mbappe should have taken on the responsibility of Monaco's CL progress and neither is anyone casually dismissing his record in any way. This is about justifying his transfer fee in comparison to Rooney's at the same age. Yes Mbappe's scored against these 4 clubs in the CL. So that automatically means he's worth this huge sum? He might have scored against these clubs in the CL but his domestic record isn't that great considering majority of the teams in the French League are far inferior to these CL teams.
Let's not turn this discussion in to something else. The fact is that his transfer fee is ridiculous and unjustified even in comparison to teenage Rooney whose fee wasn't even in the same level as this amount. The players who have commanded this sort of fee have been far more accomplished than Mbappe. This is not an indictment on his abilities. The same people who complained about Pogba being overpriced are trying to defend this fee. Where's the logic?
Not seeing how any can argue against his value, he's a monster, not much more has to be seen of him. There are certain players that come on the scene and dominate. Forget his age, he had the defences against some stern competition really shaking in their boots. He's about as much a sure deal we've seen in football since Neymar was a youngster. Barring injuries, he'll easily be worth the money. You could either have him or Sterling, Stones, Danilo and Mangala. I know what i'd take.
Still think we're the second best behind Madrid. Mbappe still has a long way to go so I just see Neymar as true world class player in their squad. Their squad ain't any special. We have a great squad on top of that we've Mourinho. We saw last season the Mourinho effect with a much weaker side in Europe.
Mourinho in CL is a scary prospect for any team in Europe.
Mourinho in CL is a scary prospect for any team in Europe.
No montage of his 16/17 season posted yet?
Sorry, you are right, some wrong facts from memory that I just checked. But to say Rooney was much more established is still not correct in my view.
Rooney had two seasons with a mid-table team, scoring 15 goals in total. Mbappe had a standout season with the league winners, and champions league run.
You said many players had champions league like mbappe at 18. Please show me a few examples.
Mbappe scored 3 vs City, 2 vs Dortmund, 1 vs Juve, etc. in big Champions League games so he hasn't just done it in France. It's so obvious how good he is and it's not just a very good half season either. City bid 40 million for him last summer for a reason.
He's an amazing talent and seems destined to be a world class attacker, but the money paid for him still seems crazy, even in this new transfer market. His fee is nearly double Pogba's just for some comparison. I think Neymar's fee is normalizing the amount paid for Mbappe, but even in a post-Neymar market I believe PSG paid an exorbitant amount for Mbappe. More power to them for being able to and not having to worry about it.
Going to be a bargain for them. Great move by PSG.
Gotta take the red tinted glasses of bud.
FTFY
I don't care about his transfer fee. What I was replying to is the general idea that Mbappe hasn't done anything special. Just a "good young player". He isn't. His record in last season's knockout stages of the CL is comparable with elite forwards at their peak. Since the round of 16 was established in 03-04, here's a list of the players who reached at least the semis and scored in every knockout stage:
- 03/04 - none
- 04/05 - none
- 05/06 - none
- 06/07 - none
- 07/08 - Lampard and Torres
- 08/09 - van Persie
- 09/10 - Milito
- 10/11 - Messi
- 11/12 - Ronaldo and Robben
- 12/13 - Ronaldo
- 13/14 - Ronaldo
- 14/15 - Lewandowski and Suárez
- 15/15 - none
- 16/17 - Mbappe
No. Giroud is a Deschamps favorite and he pays that confidence with good performances.
Still much worse than Ronaldo bale benzema and suarez Messi and... anyone that barce feel like playing that day, in my opinion.
Like with Neymar, I genuinely can't understand what one of the most wanted players in the world wants to do in Ligue 1. He could've become a legend in the Bundesliga, Primera or PL. Instead he's going to play in a liga, that no one watches and where the only team of relevance will be his own. And if he then wants a move in two years time no one will be able to afford him.
And what was all that about FFP, btw
And what was all that about FFP, btw
If rumors are to be believed, his priority was Real Madrid but none of the front 3 left and Real was unwilling to pay a ridiculous fee for him.Like with Neymar, I genuinely can't understand what one of the most wanted players in the world wants to do in Ligue 1. He could've become a legend in the Bundesliga, Primera or PL. Instead he's going to play in a liga, that no one watches and where the only team of relevance will be his own. And if he then wants a move in two years time no one will be able to afford him.
And what was all that about FFP, btw
He can become a legend in his own country, why would he want to move abroad?Like with Neymar, I genuinely can't understand what one of the most wanted players in the world wants to do in Ligue 1. He could've become a legend in the Bundesliga, Primera or PL. Instead he's going to play in a liga, that no one watches and where the only team of relevance will be his own. And if he then wants a move in two years time no one will be able to afford him.
And what was all that about FFP, btw
Because it's harder to become a world legend and even a French legend while staying in France?
As a world legend it may be partly true at the moment although the global appeal of PSG is quickly rising.
As a French legend it's completely false. Barely anyone in France gives a single feck about what the French players are doing abroad, they could be foreigners it wouldn't make much of a difference, only the performances for the national team really count. That's why Henry is more popular in England than France for example or Ben Arfa more of a fan favourite than Martial leading to the Euro 2016.
If Mbappé brought success to both PSG and the national team he could easily become the most popular French sportsman ever.
PSG have as much chances to miss the title in France, as Celtic have to not finish 1st in Scotland.
Good enough to make the Champions League semifinals at least.
Then playing for PSG also has no affect on his legend status in France. Could've just continued to play at Monaco.
The buyback 'option' is bullshit -- they're not getting relegated and are just looking for extra time to pull together some shady sponsorship to 'comply' with FFP. Of course UEFA should crack down on this, but something tells me PSG will somehow ¢onvin¢£ them to look the other way.
Monaco isn't France.
Seriously he could but Monaco doesn't have the same ambition to win everything and to keep their players long term. They also aren't anywhere close to the popularity of PSG both in France and abroad.
I mean, only the performances for the national team really count. As long as he does well in the national team, he will be considered French legend. So it shouldn't matter whether he joins PSG. He could win a few more Ligue 1 titles though, which is something I guess. Although had he joined Madrid, he would quite likely win the La Liga a fair few times as well.Monaco isn't France.
Seriously he could but Monaco doesn't have the same ambition to win everything and to keep their players long term. They also aren't anywhere close to the popularity of PSG both in France and abroad.
In order to expand his popularity around the world though, he'd definitely have to win CL with PSG and even that wouldn't guarantee it. It even boggles my mind but some fans here are already saying fecking Asensio is better player than Mbappe which is just a by-product of him playing for Madrid.
Despite appearances, Monaco did want to sell him from the beginning, mainly because he didn't want to renew his contract.
If he plays, the risk of being injured exists, which could endanger a transfer
IMO Monaco did want to present him as a "bad boy" to make the fans understand a move.
At the end, Monaco wishes all the best for him on Twitter.
Regarding his mindset, he has a healthy spirit like Trezeguet, Henry for example. On the contrary, players like Anelka/Benzema/Menez/Ben Arfa were very talented at a young age but let's say their personalities are "complex" (big ego, complacency...)
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Sure, M'Bappé will hopefully take the lead before the end of the season.
It might take several months because French coaches tend to be cautious with players under 20.The Netherlands has completely lost their football
You've forgotten "stupidity" for a lot of them.
Political correctness!
As a neutral I hope he does force his way into the first XI. If Deschamps could mould some sort of coherent setup with Mbappe, Griezmann and some combination of Dembele/Coman/Martial/Lemar etc it could be incredible to watch.Sure, M'Bappé will hopefully take the lead before the end of the season.
The Netherlands has completely lost their football
Aye, it's a depressingly bleak Dutch team at the minute. Hopefully its just a lull and they start producing attacking talent again, as they look horribly over-reliant on Robben still.
I believe the deal was agreed mid-season when we met Everton according to Sir Alex.
I guess the point is, usually such talented players are scouted heavily, especially domestically, before they made their first season (for example Sir Alex claimed they made approaches for Rooney since he was 14) and I'm sure PSG are not buying him just on the back of one season of football.
Just one thing to underline about him -> He has a great maturity. The way he talks and thinks in front of a camera is really striking. His parents are not like Neymar's. They want to build the best project for his career without thinking about money in first place. By the way, his little brother is better than him at the same age according to those who follow the boy.
Neymars parents got him to Barcelona, won a few titles and a CL and now he is at a club where if he wins the CL, he is gonna be a legend forever. All that whilst earning a lot of money, win-win.
Sorry I didn't reply I used my 5 posts for the day.
I am not saying Rashford is better I am saying that there isn't much difference between the two. Mbappe is 1 year younger fair enough. But do you think Rashford would sell for even close to £100m never mind £135m.
Also yes he scored against City and Dortmund but let's look at the facts of them games. 1 of his goals against Cuty was a simple tap in. Dortmund the first goal was a tap in but not just that, it bobbled off his thigh and it was lucky to have went in. The second against Dortmund was a simple one on one from a misplaced backpass to the keeper.
It wasn't as if the goals were made by him and were unbelievable. They were easier to take than Rashfords goal against Ciry (on his derby debut) he skinned Demichelis with a brilliant goal.
All I am saying it that Mbappe isn't as good as made out yet. He is far from the finished article and £135 for potential is crazy.
Mbappe is not yet as good as the hype, but I'd put him on a level above Gabriel Jesus, which in my estimation is very good. Definitely got a higher ceiling than Rashford, no comparison. But its' still too early to say if he will realize that potential.
Mbappe aged 10.