Winning the duel is part of the issue, the other is the stream of second balls that are created from targeting him, he might win the initial challenge but he is not clearing the ball with authority, teams will see a tactical advantage in doing this.
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Timber would have been the same impact
At least he didn’t want to come
At least he didn’t want to come
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Dalot - Maguire - Martinez - Shaw
I don't understand how anyone can say Martinez is the one to get hooked from the lot. It's no logical given the circumstances.
I understand the height issued, but for fecks sake, the first goal De Gea letting the ball get in. The second goal it's a terrible pass by DDG. The third goal Eriksen looses his man and De Gea goes away for the cross and never ever comes back, and then Martinez gets unfortunate as he slips away which can happen even to VVD. The fourth goal honestly it's a good goal with a surprisingly good technique and speed.
Dalot - Maguire - Martinez - Shaw
I don't understand how anyone can say Martinez is the one to get hooked from the lot. It's no logical given the circumstances.
I understand the height issued, but for fecks sake, the first goal De Gea letting the ball get in. The second goal it's a terrible pass by DDG. The third goal Eriksen looses his man and De Gea goes away for the cross and never ever comes back, and then Martinez gets unfortunate as he slips away which can happen even to VVD. The fourth goal honestly it's a good goal with a surprisingly good technique and speed.
A club already weak on crosses sign a midget CB for defence. Brilliant.
Well, singing this CB tells you that the club is doing what ETH wants as much as possible. Anyone in CAF can tell you that we don't need a 50M CB like him at this point.
There were stories of how the club wanted to sign Torres instead.
57 million on him while varane + Bailey + lindalof sits on the bench.
What a complete waste of money.
What a complete waste of money.
I think that you are right but to me it's due to a complete lack of synergy.
Because?
Poor performance again.
If he was Maguire he would be absolutely roasted by now.
Hopefully he can pull it through, as he is very good on the ball.
If he was Maguire he would be absolutely roasted by now.
Hopefully he can pull it through, as he is very good on the ball.
He is going to get at least two red cards this season and commit 3 penalties.
His attributes suggest he would be an immense midfielder
That's why it is more mystery for me that ETH played these players in these formations in the first two games unless we had other CBs injured. I would play fitter players first before introducing the new guys gradually IF they are good enough to take over.
It's not like we couldn't have used that money to fill the real gaps in our squad
Possibly but Ten Hag eventually thought he lacked the recovery pace for that role in the Dutch league, that is only going to be more pronouced in the PL.
Varane completely dominated any aerial duels as soon as he came on in the second half. If what I was reading on here is correct and we are going to be playing a high line. Surely it will not work with Martinez playing as a central defender with his height and pace. He could easily be bypassed with a ball over his head. I just can't see this working in the Premiership.
I don't think he was particularly weak in the tackle either. Maybe I am being a bit blind, but I feel this height weakness is going to be the promoted narrative rather than something actually seen.
Whether people like it or not he will be bullied and targeted every game because of his height and physicality. I don't think he is cut out to play CB in the Prem. Move to LB or DM. We will be having the same discussion every game in regards to his height.
For the PL I would only be comfortable with him at LB to be honest.
We already had that with Lindelof playing. Theres nothing new
Not his fault being in the wrong league. I like him but boy he will be targeted in every game, in every set piece.
Back the manager and buy quality eh!?
Who's fault is this?
He looks out of his depth massively, don't want to dismiss his potential straight away but he needs a very big turn around to make it happen .
Looks lost so far
Who's fault is this?
He looks out of his depth massively, don't want to dismiss his potential straight away but he needs a very big turn around to make it happen .
Looks lost so far
Neville and Redknapp saying that Martinez isn't going to make it at CB
Yep. We just paid 50M for not fixing anything then.
We went and spent 60m to bring in another guy with the same issues. If Martinez fails it will be on ETH and not the board for me. I feel like he underestimated Prem.
Have to agree with this.
It certainly looks like it and I've said as much. He may well improve but I don't think he will shine at CB in the Prem.
Aside from the 3rd goal, where he made a mistake. He wasn’t the reason we conceded today. Smacks of an agenda going on
Needs taken out of CB position for now and either played in a 3 or put in midfield so he can look at the league a bit more as right now he looks like he might have all his confidence destroyed before he even gets a chance to get going.
Blind had severe heart issues. I'd take pre heart problems Blind any day over Martinez. He was a class act.
Don’t write him off too quickly. ETH made mistake today in midfield setup so that we have no sufficient tall players to defend set pieces. But, the reason we lost game is purely on DDG. Only the mentally toughest team can overcome the situation like this after two quick giveaways.
I’m thinking the same thing. After today we can forget about Frenkie. Bring in Rabiot and play Martínez in midfield. Eriksen over Bruno but that discussion belongs in another thread.
Try him out in midfield. He's not going to make it as a CB.
People acting like he took a spot of someone like Vidic, we have Lindelof who ducks ffs.
Varane? I’ll tell you what Lindelof and Varane are much stronger than what we have available on the bench in midfield and attack.
Too short despite not being at fault for any of the goals because of his height 
The worst part is you must think the short one must have tons of pace to cover for the slow one. He does not.
Not gonna lie, i see only red at the moment, didnt register Varene at all, guess thought he was injured.
Even though our midfield was priority this summer I can sort of understand our defence needed work but I don't think Martinez is the profile of player we should target for CB. LB or DM maybe. Arsenal wanted him so that they can play him at LB not at CB.
Maybe I am overstating issues with his physicality but he will be targeted literally every game due to that.
Bonkers really, a completely valid reason for fans to be a bit pessimistic on signing a new CB. I hope he can prove me wrong but to me it seems to have such a short CB you need to be a top side otherwise he'll be targeted.
Dunno maybe but didnt we have decent CB partnership between Smalling and Blind, dunno anymore, not in state to remember everything.
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