I agree. Doesn't change that Maguire and him are a mismatch.
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There was a reason he was substituted at half time. 
Started the game really well I thought. But after the De Gea clangers, he lost his composure along with most of the team.
Yup. It was the only good partnership we've had since Rio-Vidic.
Sure, if
Its 2 games in and he had 1 decent game and then everyone had a terrible game today and he made a mistake for a goal. Its far too early to talk about failing
Yea it's a big if and I am hopeful he will improve but I don't see him nailing down that CB spot personally.
I agree with that. Didn't look good at the 3rd but overall, wasn't majorly worse than others. It is getting tricky though, we could get away with a short CB, but adjustments have to be made. Otherwise we are only adding more potential points to the team, opponents can try to exploit. I thought it was borderline optimistic what the manager did today, especially knowing that Brentford are a physical side and we already know, that our keeper struggles with that.
Doesn’t he also play DM? Play him there and forget about fred and mctominay. Worth the try, those 2 have been underachieving for years
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He's too small to handle the physicality of the PL. Maguire had to keep swapping with him because he couldn't handle Toney
Better quickly shift him to DM or this will be another big chunk of money thrown in the bin.
He's a liability as a CB? Who would have thought this? Not a single person on here said he would....
He's a liability as a CB? Who would have thought this? Not a single person on here said he would....
I think he'll ultimately end up at LB.Better quickly shift him to DM or this will be another big chunk of money thrown in the bin.
He's a liability as a CB? Who would have thought this? Not a single person on here said he would....
I hope he can turn it around but that today was a real worry.
He may not be a long-term solution at CB, but I would definitely try him as a CDM.
Before you laugh at me on the proposal, I must ask you this: were Paul Scholes, Claude Makélélé and N'Golo Kanté big specimens of footballers?
Doesn't have the pace for full back.
Stick prime Cannavaro and Stam in our defence and they'd struggle with that clown behind them and a non-existent midfield ahead of them.
I for one am shocked that yet another centre back wasn’t going to fix our defence, when it has been apparent since the days of Smalling, Jones and Blind that the problems lay in front and behind them.
Played well today. For today abysmal performance reasons we should look elsewhere.
Moving him to DM would already be a big chunk of money thrown in the bin. £55m could have got us a very good actual specialist DM.Better quickly shift him to DM or this will be another big chunk of money thrown in the bin.
He's a liability as a CB? Who would have thought this? Not a single person on here said he would....
But we've done it now so you're probably right.
At least with those guy we actually had decent, sometimes excellent defensive records.
It most likely could have but now we must face the reality that ETH chose to spend it on him.
We shouldn't have signed him and certainly not for that fee.
He's very calm on the ball but in all seriousness his height is giving the rest of the team anxiety as they are trying to cover him on set pieces.
Shite today, but a large part of that was that we let the game be played on Brentford's terms. When (/if) we reach a level of competency on the ball such that we dominate possession, dictate the tempo, and hem the opposition in their own half, then at least Martinez has his strengths on show as well as his weaknesses. If you spend half the game conceding daft free kicks within striking distance of the box and as a result are trying to defend one chaotic ball into your box after another, then you definitely want a big dominant header of the ball. But clearly, the plan is to avoid being in that situation in the first place.
Absolutely bonkers how this narrative was just being rammed down our throat all match. Naturally there are question marks around him, but I think it's more an intensity issue at the moment.Too short despite not being at fault for any of the goals because of his height
He's small for a defensive midfielder, he'd need to massively work on his positioning but he'd still get roughed up there also. The players you mentioned also started as forwards or wingers, not CB's. We have no idea he can play that position to that ability, and if he could he'd already be in there.
Mee literally didn’t have to jump to beat him for the third.Too short despite not being at fault for any of the goals because of his height
That's what I thought too. Hopefully we just ease him back into the next game. No starting as I don't want the lad's confidence plummeting because of our shit show.
I not gonn talk about height, but just looked utterly out paced, classed, muscled and everything. In no way did he look like a £50 million player, looked like some one having to step several leagues in quality and not being able to do it.
Obviously poor for the 3rd goal but that was more of a consequence of our team being a foot shorter than theirs. Was clear we were going to be bullied in the air when seeing the lineup.
I thought he was doing decent at the passing to distribute the ball from a CDM position higher up when we were pushing them. The issue was that the one who was supposed to cover behind his back was Maguire, and you knew by then that this CB pair would not work. Unless you want to keep a fast FB behind all the time to cover it, which will make us unbalanced in the attack.
As I said, basic physics.
Didn't see the third goal I assume?Too short despite not being at fault for any of the goals because of his height
Didn't do marvellously there did he?
And I said at the fecking time that they were not the problem, yet many wouldn’t accept it. We have had a one-dimensional keeper for a decade and never want to address our midfield shortcomings, yet here we are: throw another CB on the bonfire and put your feet up!
The best responses were trying to use absolute all time greats like Cannavaro and Baresi as reasons why it was fine.
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The hilarious thing is that most of us have whinged about Lindelof for being weak and easily bulliable for years.
And he's 6ft 2, so at least has some sort of presence, albeit a weak form of it.
But you simply can't make up 5 or 6 inches in height against certain balls however much you're committed.
Seems more suited to a back 3 or CDM role. I do like his technique and aggression. I know he was bought as a CB but with the options we have in midfield I think he’d do better than others.
please point out ANY moments that were a worry? I genuinely want you to pick out a moment you saw him in trouble today?
I've seen some posters saying he was a worry and he got bullied, when he barely lost any challenges? at one point he ragdolled Toney to the floor and Mbembo bounced off him too.
Yes he is small but he leaps very well.
And they should still be mocked, his height wasn't the issue this game.
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