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…..the vultures are circling.
I just can’t accept no matter how good a players leap is that height doesn’t matter for a CB in EPL. Never.The hilarious thing is that most of us have whinged about Lindelof for being weak and easily bulliable for years.
And he's 6ft 2, so at least has some sort of presence, albeit a weak form of it.
But you simply can't make up 5 or 6 inches in height against certain balls however much you're committed.
Even the goal was more about being in the right place, rather than him being small. Intensity definitely is a slight worry for me, but that will come when he adapts to the league.please point out ANY moments that were a worry?
I genuinely want you to pick out a moment you saw him in trouble today?
I've seen some posters saying he was a worry and he got bullied, when he barely lost any challenges? at one point he ragdolled Toney to the floor and Mbembo bounced off him too.
Yes he is small but he leaps very well.
Agree. LCB in a back three would be my preference.Seems more suited to a back 3 or CDM role. I do like his technique and aggression. I know he was bought as a CB but with the options we have in midfield I think he’d do better than others.
The goal he slipped unfortunately, but yes in that situation stuck under the goal posts he might get troubled.Even the goal was more about being in the right place, rather than him being small. Intensity definitely is a slight worry for me, but that will come when he adapts to the league.
All the goals came down their left though and I think what he said was still more poignant to the fact they put more effort in. It's akin to in Rugby getting to the breakdown quickest, we were always second to any second ball, regardless if Martinez won his challenge anyway.I just can’t accept no matter how good a players leap is that height doesn’t matter for a CB in EPL. Never.
I know some are saying he slipped for the 3rd goal. When I watched the replay you can see his knee gets caught under the other player next to him. This is going to sound very pedantic, but if he’s not as short as he was his body just doesn’t fall over like he did. A big strong defender would be physically imposing in that it would be hard to knock him out of his stride or movement.
I’m not writing Martinez off so early, I’m just finding it hard to see how he becomes a regular success going forward when he’s clearly going to be targeted. Even the Brentford manager said today that they looked to target that weakness down our left hand side for second balls.
And I said at the fecking time that they were not the problem, yet many wouldn’t accept it. We have had a one-dimensional keeper for a decade and never want to address our midfield shortcomings, yet here we are: throw another CB on the bonfire and put your feet up!
That would be my plan A as well. 3atb would change midfield dynamics to some degree and looking at our attacking players there is absolutely no need to be sad to leave one of them on the bench.I think he needs to be played in a back 3 with Maguire and Varane. It's going to be a struggle to make it work otherwise, at least with the current state of the team.
I can't remember having such doubts about a big signing so early.I just can’t accept no matter how good a players leap is that height doesn’t matter for a CB in EPL. Never.
I know some are saying he slipped for the 3rd goal. When I watched the replay you can see his knee gets caught under the other player next to him. This is going to sound very pedantic, but if he’s not as short as he was his body just doesn’t fall over like he did. A big strong defender would be physically imposing in that it would be hard to knock him out of his stride or movement.
I don’t even think his height and physicality got that exposed this game tbh. But I can certainly see signs of how it will get targeted as there’s been moments of weakness which haven’t been critical but on another day can be.
I’m not writing Martinez off so early, I’m just finding it hard to see how he becomes a regular success going forward when he’s clearly going to be targeted. Even the Brentford manager said today that they looked to target that weakness down our left hand side for second balls.
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Yeah, it might be an option to ease him into the league, but I would potentially worry about the intensity in there as well. In an ideal world, we could ease him in as a LB, in an experienced and well drilled back line. Alas, not the case.The goal he slipped unfortunately, but yes in that situation stuck under the goal posts he might get troubled.
In this situation though we should be adapting and playing him as a CDM maybe? we've got Varane on the bench who's a giant.
Today would have been nice to have Eriksen/Martinez/Fernandes in midfield and we'd be much more solid. Perhaps i'd go that way in the future too.
Neville kept going on about it being a problem but he won more duels than he lost. They just can't see past him being small.
Pretty much this.please point out ANY moments that were a worry?
I genuinely want you to pick out a moment you saw him in trouble today?
I've seen some posters saying he was a worry and he got bullied, when he barely lost any challenges? at one point he ragdolled Toney to the floor and Mbembo bounced off him too.
Yes he is small but he leaps very well.
Honestly speaking I’ve not seen Martinez get “exposed” too badly in the first two games but I have seen signs of individual battles or moments of play which have made me concerned that there are definitely going to be potential issues going forward.All the goals came down their left though and I think what he said was still more poignant to the fact they put more effort in. It's akin to in Rugby getting to the breakdown quickest, we were always second to any second ball, regardless if Martinez won his challenge anyway.
The swapping of sides when defending a long throw is entirely normalHonestly speaking I’ve not seen Martinez get “exposed” too badly in the first two games but I have seen signs of individual battles or moments of play which have made me concerned that there are definitely going to be potential issues going forward.
Even if we look at something very basic such as Brentford throw ins from our left side. Martinez and Maguire were switching sides so Maguire is the one nearest to the left back to head it away. That’s not an ideal situation to have to constantly swap sides to counter that potential weakness.
The mere fact that the manager has asked them to switch suggests there is a weakness to be exposed.
Again I don’t wanna bash the guy as he’s only had 2 games. But I can’t pretend I’m confident in him becoming a dominant CB in the premier league every match.
Ok but Frank isn't falling for some media led Narrative.Again, yet the goals didn't come from there, so it may have been a plan, but it's not where we conceded from.
He said they targeted it. But the point is they didn't get a lot of joy from that. That wasn’t what won them the gameOk but Frank isn't falling for some media led Narrative.
If Premier League managers are targeting that area it has to be for a good reason.
Sorry, but height is the main issue, it really is. He's 5ft 9 ffs.Height is not the main issue, tbh. A lot of amazing CBs were short (Cannavaro, Cordoba, Puyol, Baresi, etc). Ricardo Carvalho was not that tall for a CB either with 1.82m
His positioning is flawed tbh. Dunno if he can improve that much on that.
And even then the bigger question would be "why are we slower to second balls than every other fecking team in the league?".Again, yet the goals didn't come from there, so it may have been a plan, but it's not where we conceded from.
Which headers did he lose today?The hilarious thing is that most of us have whinged about Lindelof for being weak and easily bulliable for years.
And he's 6ft 2, so at least has some sort of presence, albeit a weak form of it.
But you simply can't make up 5 or 6 inches in height against certain balls however much you're committed.
That's a fair point I didn't consider, but in general, with good communication, this shouldn't be too much of an issue.Honestly speaking I’ve not seen Martinez get “exposed” too badly in the first two games but I have seen signs of individual battles or moments of play which have made me concerned that there are definitely going to be potential issues going forward.
Even if we look at something very basic such as Brentford throw ins from our left side. Martinez and Maguire were switching sides so Maguire is the one nearest to the left back to head it away. That’s not an ideal situation to have to constantly swap sides to counter that potential weakness.
The mere fact that the manager has asked them to switch suggests there is a weakness to be exposed.
Again I don’t wanna bash the guy as he’s only had 2 games. But I can’t pretend I’m confident in him becoming a dominant CB in the premier league every match.
BingoAnd even then the bigger question would be "why are we slower to second balls than every other fecking team in the league?".
The one for the goal?Which headers did he lose today?
It is a bigger issue for us because we have no protection in front of him and aerial ability elsewhere in the team for set pieces.Height is not the main issue, tbh. A lot of amazing CBs were short (Cannavaro, Cordoba, Puyol, Baresi, etc). Ricardo Carvalho was not that tall for a CB either with 1.82m
His positioning is flawed tbh. Dunno if he can improve that much on that.
Yep. It was an insane fee.Personally would have walked away at 35mil, not because I don’t rate the lad - I think he has a lot of qualities. But 57 mil just brings a whole different kind of pressure and expectation. When you pay that kind of money for someone it’s very difficult to leave them out even if the circumstances might not suit his game - and that’s because well when you pay that kind of money for a defender they should be able to cope with all situations.
The other clowns in the team made it possible for them to not worry about their plan after thirty minutes. But, other managers saying how we thought they would do against our back line tells you that we are not actively solving anything at the back but probably adding more. Which can't be positive in any sense.Again, yet the goals didn't come from there, so it may have been a plan, but it's not where we conceded from.
Where he slipped. So not height related… greatThe one for the goal?
We really need to stop using legends of the game who are by default an extreme example which is why they are legends as justification. Martinez has not shown anything to suggest he is a cannavaro or baresi.Height is not the main issue, tbh. A lot of amazing CBs were short (Cannavaro, Cordoba, Puyol, Baresi, etc). Ricardo Carvalho was not that tall for a CB either with 1.82m
His positioning is flawed tbh. Dunno if he can improve that much on that.
Exactly.He said they targeted it.
Yup I don't understand the "Narrative" posts or the "Sheep" comments.Exactly my point. He won’t be the first manager to target that side either. Every manager will do the same.
If we play Martinez and Malacia at the same time, that’s an even bigger concern.
We haven’t seen it much yet but I have no doubt we will see left backs playing long diagonals over our defence to target the areas between Martinez and shaw. No matter how good your leap is, you can’t really jump well when you are back pedalling. We can’t pretend height isn’t an issue otherwise every team in the league would play short CBs who are great on the ball and have a good leap.Exactly.
Yup I don't understand the "Narrative" posts or the "Sheep" comments.
A rival manager is going on national tv and telling everyone that he noticed that he could get joy from it (from the Brighton game) and decided to target him.
If it wasnt causing problems then why was he taken off at half time?
Exactly.
Yup I don't understand the "Narrative" posts or the "Sheep" comments.
A rival manager is going on national tv and telling everyone that he noticed that he could get joy from it (from the Brighton game) and decided to target him.
If it wasnt causing problems then why was he taken off at half time?
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