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Its not about comparing, its just funny how when this forum likes a player, an excuse is a reason, and when they don't, a reason is an excuse.comparing martinez to maguire
Go to bed now mate you’re having a mare
He’s been rubbish this season hahahaIts not about comparing, its just funny how when this forum likes a player, an excuse is a reason, and when they don't, a reason is an excuse.
I've said time and time again I like Martinez, but he's been rubbish this season and I'm not convinced about the Martinez/Varane partnership. I feel he needs genuine pace and power next to him. He'd still be the first name on the teamsheet for me at CB but he's not beyond criticism
What's the point in player performance threads if you can't give an opinion about a player?He’s been rubbish this season hahaha
he was fine today, and it’s game two, seriously mate leave it be
He was fine, he did some great work covering up for Shaw in the first half. I liked the bit where he left two spurs players sprawled in the box. He didn't do a whole pile wrong.Was he bad today? Even the OG I don't see how you can let the ball run there, you gotta do something.
In fairness, like someone else here pointed out, Davies does get a touch on the ball, which likely threw Martinez off.He was fine, he did some great work covering up for Shaw in the first half. I liked the bit where he left two spurs players sprawled in the box. He didn't do a whole pile wrong.
On the og, he was wrong sided because he doesn't expect Dalot to get megged on a cross, then tries to swipe at it and just misses it and goes in. Shit happens, but that goal started on the half way line with a shite attempt at pressing the ball.
you can give an opinion but Christ you can’t just make stuff upWhat's the point in player performance threads if you can't give an opinion about a player?
He's slow and he's not physically dominant. That's not made up. I'd say both are objectively true.you can give an opinion but Christ you can’t just make stuff up
I think Todibo would've played well with him.Its not about comparing, its just funny how when this forum likes a player, an excuse is a reason, and when they don't, a reason is an excuse.
I've said time and time again I like Martinez, but he's been rubbish this season and I'm not convinced about the Martinez/Varane partnership. I feel he needs genuine pace and power next to him. He'd still be the first name on the teamsheet for me at CB but he's not beyond criticism
It’s right if they were at fault today. And they weren’tHe's slow and he's not physically dominant. That's not made up. I'd say both are objectively true.
As I say, you're making out like I'm some kind of big Martinez critic - I'm not really, he's our best CB - but I feel it's right to criticise his start to the season and I feel its right to question his partnership with Varane.
I don't care about the two goals specifically, we kept a clean sheet against Wolves on Monday - I still though he was poor. His problem is when spaces open up and he's exposed. He really is very, very slow - so he has to be in a compact unit and on the front foot to be effective.It’s right if they were at fault today. And they weren’t
He has not looked the same since his injury last season.
Yeah it wasn't a minor injury either. Wondering if it will take time before we see him back to where he wasHe has not looked the same since his injury last season.
You've ignored my two posts. In the Wolves game, that's fair but in today's? Care to highlight some examples?I don't care about the two goals specifically, we kept a clean sheet against Wolves on Monday - I still though he was poor. His problem is when spaces open up and he's exposed. He really is very, very slow - so he has to be in a compact unit and on the front foot to be effective.
Nah, just the honeymoon is over and he gets judged on merit, instead of getting overrated like most signings do.He has not looked the same since his injury last season.
The lack of midfield protection didn’t make Maguire and Lindelof play badly as individuals. And I don’t know why you mention Lindelof. His individual performances were fine last season. Martinez was poor against Wolves but ok today. That’s what you discuss in performance thread. Individual performances. Not weird conspiracies about other players who apparently aren’t responsible for their own performance level.People highlighted the lack of midfield protection for Lindelof and Maguire, yet they weren't allowed to use that excuse
Completely disagree regarding his performances this season. Feels to me judged on a terrible foulo for the ebooking and mistake or unfortunate moment today.Its not about comparing, its just funny how when this forum likes a player, an excuse is a reason, and when they don't, a reason is an excuse.
I've said time and time again I like Martinez, but he's been rubbish this season and I'm not convinced about the Martinez/Varane partnership. I feel he needs genuine pace and power next to him. He'd still be the first name on the teamsheet for me at CB but he's not beyond criticism
He’s still getting fitness from a serious injury last season, he’ll come good he’s the least of our worries ?He was great last year. Awful today. That simple.
You have this weird obsession of trying to bring Martinez down to Maguire’s level. It’s amazing that even at this point you’re struggling to accept Maguire is shite. It’s got nothing to do with protection. Maguire isn’t and never was good enough. Martinez can have 10 bad games in a row and he’ll still be miles better than Maguire.People highlighted the lack of midfield protection for Lindelof and Maguire, yet they weren't allowed to use that excuse
He’s not fast but wouldn’t say he’s extremely slow either, it is more that he is unaware of the space behind him. He likes to push and attack the player in front of him rather than keep track of runners behind him. We saw this last season as well.I don't care about the two goals specifically, we kept a clean sheet against Wolves on Monday - I still though he was poor. His problem is when spaces open up and he's exposed. He really is very, very slow - so he has to be in a compact unit and on the front foot to be effective.
I think your last sentence is everything I am highlighting with my criticism of Martinez.You have this weird obsession of trying to bring Martinez down to Maguire’s level. It’s amazing that even at this point you’re struggling to accept Maguire is shite. It’s got nothing to do with protection. Maguire isn’t and never was good enough. Martinez can have 10 bad games in a row and he’ll still be miles better than Maguire.
Eh…you were in Bruno’s blaming Casemiro on Monday.The lack of midfield protection didn’t make Maguire and Lindelof play badly as individuals. And I don’t know why you mention Lindelof. His individual performances were fine last season. Martinez was poor against Wolves but ok today. That’s what you discuss in performance thread. Individual performances. Not weird conspiracies about other players who apparently aren’t responsible for their own performance level.
This. Shaw and Casemiro and Mount left him and Varane badly exposed for 80% of the game yesterday. And I still maintain he is a defensive midfielder and not a CB. I will die on that hill. He just plays CB because he has good physicality but that size, and lack of speed to cover ground quickly will always expose us to vulnerabilities at CB and shows me he should be playing DM instead. At DM he wouldn't need to cover as much ground and his passing and tempo control abilities would be put to so much better use.Exposed by Shaw multiple times yesterday. I’m not really sure he did much wrong until the own goal, certainly wasn’t as bad as the Wolves game.
I quoted you a third time for some examples in the Spurs game and you still can't explain exactly where he played poorly. Yet here you are asking for objectivity as if anything else is somehow bias. You've said several times now that he was poor in the thrashings last season like he was the sole or major reason (clue: he wasn't) and that he couldn't displace a City centre back has been for Argentina. Seems like you've got this idea fixed in your head and are ignoring the reality. Don't take my word for it, look at the other posts. Pretty 50/50.I think your last sentence is everything I am highlighting with my criticism of Martinez.
The fact that he is not Maguire (or to a lesser extent Lindelof) means he can do no wrong in the eyes of United fans. Your post makes it clear that you're not judging him on performances, you've just decided that because he's not Maguire, you're going to back him to the hilt.
All I am asking for is objectivity. At times last season he was very good...but there were also games like City away and Anfield away were I feel that were he not riding this wave of goodwill from the fans, serious questions would have been asked.
For the record, I have already said several times above that I think he is our best CB, but I'm not convinced that Varane is the right partner. I feel Martinez needs a real powerhouse beside him. Someone with pace and strength like prime Ferdinand, Ramos or van Dijk.
The way we want to play this season is going to leave us exposed at times. I worry there's not enough pace between Casemiro, Martinez and Varane to plug the gaps.
