ryan_forlan
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Another petition against Ramos then?
But, whilst that may or may not be true, it is unusual, unless you can find a plethora of examples to the contrary, to release to the papers a week after the fact that the event occurred. I can not think of any precedent for this at all.Various medical websites state that symptoms can appear hours/days later. There have also been numerous cases of undiagnosed concussions in the NFL, which over time are documented to have contributed to the deaths of various athletes, based on their postmortems. So yeah, it's definitely not unusual.
It's calling an apple an apple. His career at Liverpool is still more or less finished, despite this diagnosis. Nobody is using it as an excuse - but I don't see why quite a significant piece of news regarding a high profile incident like this would be kept from the public eye.
As long as it helps the player to get on with his football career (which Liverpool have an interest in also) I don't see what the downside is. Odd procedure doesn't count.Personally, I find it a bit odd. On a personal level I think it's probably a good thing for Karius, and he may find it easier to live with what happened, but on a professional level I find it a bit odd that Liverpool paid to fly Karius around the globe to a hospital affiliated with their owner to proudly announce to the world that they lost a Champion's League final not because of an individual mistake but because of absolute negligence on behalf of their medical staff and a dereliction of their duty with regards to player safety.
I don't really disagree, but I do find it quite weird how Liverpool (and their fans on the internet mostly) are trying to act how this isn't more damning for Liverpool than their keeper just making mistakes.As long as it helps the player to get on with his football career (which Liverpool have an interest in also) I don't see what the downside is. Odd procedure doesn't count.
Is this really what they are doing? To me the obvious concern from Liverpools pov is for the players mental health and his market value. With the statement they are adressing just that and I don't see anything wrong with it prima facie. What seems far fetchedis to attribute some sort of justification/explanation motive for the defeat to this story, but then again I haven't really followed club statements and I hope you can fill me in with that.I don't really disagree, but I do find it quite weird how Liverpool (and their fans on the internet mostly) are trying to act how this isn't more damning for Liverpool than their keeper just making mistakes.
Not that Liverpool are the only club to blame for a, lets say, blasé attitude to concussion so lets hope that a high profile incident where it costs a club dearly might convince the others to act.
Documented late displaying of symptoms doesn't mean that late displaying of symptoms isn't unusual. I know about the NFL concussion stuff, but that's more due to medical negligence in even attempting a proper diagnosis than the players not displaying symptoms.Various medical websites state that symptoms can appear hours/days later. There have also been numerous cases of undiagnosed concussions in the NFL, which over time are documented to have contributed to the deaths of various athletes, based on their postmortems. So yeah, it's definitely not unusual.
It's calling an apple an apple. His career at Liverpool is still more or less finished, despite this diagnosis. Nobody is using it as an excuse - but I don't see why quite a significant piece of news regarding a high profile incident like this would be kept from the public eye.
The official statement came from a doctor working at a hospital of which Liverpool's owner is a trustee, and that statement follows the diagnosis of concussion and visual spatial dysfunction with confirmation that the concussion occurred during the final and that it may have affected his performance. The official statement came as close to saying "Karius had concussion and that's why he was shit" without actually saying it.Is this really what they are doing? To me the obvious concern from Liverpools pov is for the players mental health and his market value. With the statement they are adressing just that and I don't see anything wrong with it prima facie. What seems far fetched to me is to attribute some sort of justification/explanation motive for the defeat to this story, but then again I haven't really followed club statements and I hope you can fill me in with that.
Liverpool fan groups were last night calling for a replay of the Champions League final after Loris Karius' concussion.
They're trying to create the impression that Liverpool didn't lose the CL final.What do liverpool hope to gain from this?
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Liverpool fan groups were last night calling for a replay of the Champions League final after Loris Karius' concussion.
Would explain his sub-par attempt at forcing tears.
Not really. A lot of Liverpool fans had already decided that the result was invalid because Ramos tried to maim Salah, so their minds won't have been changed. The rest have already accepted the result and moved on.Do you any of you think trying to 'exonerate' him like this kinda works? It supports the player too.
And, it's also in line with the Klopp idea that there is nearly always outside factors that makes them lose.
it was on our main news last night (in England I mean)I got a Sky News notification about this last night. Is this that newsworthy outside the sporting world?
their YAWN guff was getting a bit of stick post-game too, maybe they sensed a bit of 'brand-jeopardy' too (quite a nice tinfoil hat I found this, )There is also the added element, of course, that Karius was on the receiving end of an absolute shit ton of abuse from Liverpool supporters, who now, after the release of this statement, are giving it "we was fucccchhhin' robbed la, karius had concussion YAWN la, replay the final"
Four years. He said he hoped to win a title in four years. Not an unreasonable thing to say.Not really. A lot of Liverpool fans had already decided that the result was invalid because Ramos tried to maim Salah, so their minds won't have been changed. The rest have already accepted the result and moved on.
No rational fan of any other team is swayed by it, and the irrational ones were on the Ramos killed Salah train anyway.
It's just damage limitation on Karius' transfer value/a small ego boost should they fail to sell him, and a convenient distraction from what was ultimately another season without a trophy under Mr. "a title within 3 years".
I'm finding it quite amusing how near enough every Liverpool fan was 100% on board with Karius actually just being a shit, error-prone keeper, until the moment a statement is released saying he had concussion and that affected him, and now he's still a shit, error-prone keeper, but these specific match-costing errors in their biggest match in a decade were caused by something else, and not him being a shit, error-prone keeper, and it is in fact, significant news relating to a high profile incident.
Your hatred of LFC shines through so much in this thread that it's hard to take anything you say seriously.There is also the added element, of course, that Karius was on the receiving end of an absolute shit ton of abuse from Liverpool supporters, who now, after the release of this statement, are giving it "we was fucccchhhin' robbed la, karius had concussion YAWN la, replay the final"
Four years then. Liverpool League Cup winners 2019.Four years. He said he hoped to win a title in four years. Not an unreasonable thing to say.
I don’t think Karius is a shit keeper either. I think the bizarre nature of the first error hurt his confidence and led to the second one. He hadn’t made a serious error in god knows how long prior to the final. Any sensible person knows that.
Manchester United fan it clear and obvious dislike for Liverpool shocker.Your hatred of LFC shines through so much in this thread that it's hard to take anything you say seriously.
I've also seen no Liverpool fans on here abusing Ramos or blaming the result on Salah's injury.
I also dislike United but that doesn't mean I can't try to at least stay objective about them.Manchester United fan it clear and obvious dislike for Liverpool shocker.
Also didn't realise that all Liverpool fans were contained on here, a Manchester United forum.
I haven’t seen or heard a Liverpool fan anywhere ask for the game to be replayed. I don’t even know where that nonsense started.I also dislike United but that doesn't mean I can't try to at least stay objective about them.
And of course not but it's probably a more sensible part of our fan base, rather than the ones on RAWK or those commenting on Daily Mail articles and the likes.
I posted it quire early in the Mail comments section. It could have gained some traction from there.I haven’t seen or heard a Liverpool fan anywhere ask for the game to be replayed. I don’t even know where that nonsense started.
There wasn’t enough wind and the pitch was too wet.theres always an excuse with this lot. I mean yeah if it happened then fair play but its never ever cut and dry with the dippers when they lose big matches.
Right, and I wasn't talking about the more sensible ones, but the vocal hordes on Twitter, RAWK and various news site comments sections.I also dislike United but that doesn't mean I can't try to at least stay objective about them.
And of course not but it's probably a more sensible part of our fan base, rather than the ones on RAWK or those commenting on Daily Mail articles and the likes.
Either the Mail comments section or twitter. Don't know which came first but there's a decent number who if they aren't asking for a replay, are at least making noise about the result being void. Most of the nonsense is still centred on Ramos receiving some sort of ban/fine/prison sentence though.I haven’t seen or heard a Liverpool fan anywhere ask for the game to be replayed. I don’t even know where that nonsense started.
Well I’ve seen nothing on Twitter so it must be from the Daily Mail comments section.Right, and I wasn't talking about the more sensible ones, but the vocal hordes on Twitter, RAWK and various news site comments sections.
Either the Mail comments section or twitter. Don't know which came first but there's a decent number who if they aren't asking for a replay, are at least making noise about the result being void. Most of the nonsense is still centred on Ramos receiving some sort of ban/fine/prison sentence though.
He almost did the same vs City in the semis as well. It hit the bar though.Four years. He said he hoped to win a title in four years. Not an unreasonable thing to say.
I don’t think Karius is a shit keeper either. I think the bizarre nature of the first error hurt his confidence and led to the second one. He hadn’t made a serious error in god knows how long prior to the final. Any sensible person knows that.
You're obviously blessed with a more sane timeline than me thenWell I’ve seen nothing on Twitter so it must be from the Daily Mail comments section.
Always a solid source of evidence.
Can you post a couple of the Tweets? I’m genuinely interested to see what they’re saying. I can’t believe any sane person thinks it’s reasonable to expect a replay.You're obviously blessed with a more sane timeline than me then
I've not seen a great deal about a replay on twitter to be fair, but I have seen at least two petition links, this being the latest: https://www.change.org/p/uefa-a-match-replay-real-madrid-vs-liverpoolCan you post a couple of the Tweets? I’m genuinely interested to see what they’re saying. I can’t believe any sane person thinks it’s reasonable to expect a replay.
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Posting a message of support & solidarity (which lets be honest they were probably told to post) doesn't really excuse leaving the poor guy crying alone moments after what was probably the most humiliating moment of his life. When your club slogan is "you'll never walk alone" it looks hypocritical, especially considering the majority of the fans turned against him also.This myth needs to die. Almost every single one of them did the usual "we win together we lose together" thing on social media after the game, everyone backed him and shared the blame for defeat. It is perfectly, 100% normal to take a few minutes for yourself right after the last whistle after a (probably devestating for most) CL final defeat.
On topic: I guess it's probably true, but it doesn't matter anymore nor will it change anything so let's just move on and take one thing away from the story, i.e. that head injuries need to be monitored and examined more carefully in football. I don't get the Ramos hate either, he is one of the biggest cnuts currently playing but he did nothing wrong in the whole final imo.
Some of the stuff I read from them is clinical level delusionHaha, I was foolishly about to respond to the scouser's drivel but then I read this and know I can't top it. Totally nailed it. Social media ffs
I know right? Most of them have PR companies manage their social media, too - its a measure of nothingYou are right. No one went near him at the final whistle. Just because they pushed on social media later, likely when they have been told to do so, means nothing.