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You do realise I am summarising Mourinho's career, particularly in the premier league, by saying he's always been a poop-on-a-stick merchant? Of course not every single game was literally poop-on-a-stick football.
The part in bold is an understatement. And no, I am not willing to rewrite history and say that Ferguson was something he was not in order to appease those who want to make comparisons that make Mourinho seem more palatable.
Wasnt it 1991 against Everton ? could be wrong.
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Manchester United hold crisis talks with Wayne Rooney
Well that's us screwed for the foreseeable future, won't be winning anything soon if that's true!
Manchester United hold crisis talks with Wayne Rooney
Well that's us screwed for the foreseeable future, won't be winning anything soon if that's true!
No he'll steady the ship and have us playing like earlier this season where we bore everyone else in the stadium to tears before stealing the points. But we're not gaining anything from that. We won't win anything and it's not setting us up for a better future in any way. Despite what his fans claim he is doing.
last time I checked the definition of "always" it meant at all times. without exception.
That I can agree with. but I'm the kind of supporter who would tolerate the "unexciting" football if it means it gets us a result. if you disagree fair enough.
again looks like we'll have to agree to disagree.
well of course. It would be very wrong of Madrid to leak this if Rafa is still very much their manager.
We both know I understand the meaning of the word. My point, as I said before, was to encapsulate his career and summarise the pattern of it. "Always" is not a technically incorrect usage in the context. Being a pedant demonstrates that you're really angling for a fight rather than trying to understand my point of view. That's up to you, but I promise you I spend a great deal more time writing and sweating over the precision of my language than you do.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/always
There's nothing inconsistent with my use of the word and the examples of accepted use. Definitions really just reflect the expectations of a given time. Perception is thankfully fluid enough to not require lengthy erudition in every single sentence; we pick up meaning and context more quickly the more literature we've studied. Imagine if you had to explain your use of each and every single word in the limited context you used it in. It would read something like the awful academic writings of scientists, who apologise for everything (please don't look up the definition; learning the use of hyperbole would be more beneficial) they say so as not to be accused of ignoring their own inability to encompass the entire field of study in one paper.
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LVG is a proven manager. He has contributed to the development of football and his Ajax was for a period of time time the pinnacle of football. As time went by football changed but the man stayed true to himself and the formula. You obey the system or you will get stuck in between.You either ride along or you will get thanked for your services. Now at 64 years of age the ocassion has stepped up for him to evaluate and assess the formula he has been conditioned to apply on the teams he managed. Not only is this new territory for the Dutch meistro, but its also a frightening/exciting signal that time will catch up with everyone. He will now probably experience certain attributes of his own system. Not only do the players have to obey certain standards, he now has to adjust to the team and apply certain flexibility. With the job on the line he is now facing one of the most difficult challanges in his prosperous career thus far. Never ever would i ever expect him to communicate words like ‘’i think i am/i was a good manager’’. As a dutchman i have followed LVG’s career quite obsessively and the idea of him managing our lovely club United seemed to be a match made in heaven, given the fact that a lot of people expressed their opinions of United desiring an authorative manager who can set standards and hold the players unto them.
Can he turn it around ? Im gonna say yes, purely because of the biased idea of seeing a succesfull dutchman triumphing at this great club. Is it realistic ? I leave that blanco. Whatever happens in the next few weeks, i for once hope that he will get the respect he deserves.
Can he turn it around ? Im gonna say yes, purely because of the biased idea of seeing a succesfull dutchman triumphing at this great club. Is it realistic ? I leave that blanco. Whatever happens in the next few weeks, i for once hope that he will get the respect he deserves.
Maybe the club isn't keen on Mourinho and they really want LvG to turn it around get top four. I really do think the club believe in Giggs and I don't think they want to change their plan for management so easily.
If that's the case then it's rather worrying.
If that's the case then it's rather worrying.
i.e. Rooney and Carrick can't hack it anymore.
Tbf to Van Gaal he's always said he was willing to hear out the players' arguments.
Whether he actually listens to them or not is another matter.
Whether he actually listens to them or not is another matter.
Tbf three weeks ago Woodward was briefing the press that Van Gaal was a 'genius' and that we'd look to extend his contract past the current 18 months remaining, so I'd guess you're right there. Van Gaal is Woodward's man so I'm sure he'd much rather see things work out then go elsewhere.
I would guess though that however much he likes Van Gaal, a loss away to Stoke would make LvG's position untenable.
Also, just want to point out here that the result against Swansea was not achieved by Chelsea setting up to dominate the game with attacking football. In fact, Chelsea set up defensively in that game, and they scored 5 because the Swansea defence had a shocker. Mourinho's sides are often capable of scoring goals because of how he exploits his opposition's vulnerabilities, but Mourinho is not the sort of manager who sets his teams up to stamp their own authority on a game. He seeks to nullify his opponent's first, as I said before.
I have to say I'm just grateful he agreed to take the job on. We needed leadership and he provided it and continues to do so (albeit with waning influence which in no small measure is due to what I perceive to be a lack of will to follow his lead). I do find it slightly embarrassing, as it feels to me, that whilst we are not treating him badly per se, we are not treating him well either.
I fear that if the club do stick to the plan you've suspected the club to have, we will almost certainly complete our transformation into the next Liverpool. Destined for years in the abyss, watching City dominate English football, assuming they sign Pep. Those that say we've too much money and prestige to slip out of the top four are fooling themselves, as we've already flirted with that prospect. Hell, even last season we were very fortunate to nick that 4th place.
The way I see it, the board should think about their next move very very carefully.
I was hoping he'd be sacked when I logged back on, only we would bother with sit down chin wags and this mealy mouthed shit while any actual solution looks like it will slip away.
Thanks, but I'm looking for half and half ones.
It is like he didn't watch our games against Arsenal over the last 7-8 years. That was a classic case of letting Arsenal get possession in non-threatening areas of the pitch and then when they have committed players forward, we broke with speed to score and win. That was like the modua operandi without fail every time under Fergie when we lined up against Arsenal. The 8-2 drubbing aside we always used it.
To be fair, crisis talks with wayne rooney are long overdue.
"Wayne, you're shit."
"Wayne, you're shit."
Makes sense because the Coaches that can guarantee success are Pep, Klopp, Mourinho and Wenger.
The rest of us are fecked.LVG will only be fired if he fails to make champions league.
That Rafael guy is an idiot. Talks lot of nonsense.Makes sense because the Coaches that can guarantee success are Pep, Klopp, Mourinho and Wenger.
DO NOT want Jose. If not sacking LVG means Jose fecks off, then I'm all for it
This a 1000 times
It is difficult to imagine Real Madrid sacking Rafa mid season. Imagine getting sacked after winning 10-2 in previous game! The club in the question is capable of doing it and only club which can do this but even by their standards it will be too much. It can be different story in summer though and Real Madrid will be in for Mou then. If Van Gaal turns it around enough to keep us in top 4 somehow, still we should have agreement in place with Mou for summer already.
For some reason I get the feeling that part of the reason that the board doesn't want to sack Van Gaal until after these 2 games is because "it's not Christmas-ey". As stupid as that sounds. It's probably like they think it's not like a drastic point so they'll just hold off a few days until after the holidays.
Knowing our track record in the recent past, he could be leaking contact from us to get a firm offer from Madrid.
They were complaints at Bayern that he doesnt really change anything even after the complaints.
They were complaints here earlier this season, nothing seems to have changed either.
If somehow, somehow...by greatest of miracles, LvG and United turn it around from here to have a successful season (top 3 league finish and winning Europa and/or FA cup) and then win title next season, it will be one of the sweetest things to happen to me in 13-14 years of following United. 2007 title after being written off in pre-season of 2006 summer was sweet and 2008 CL was dream come true, but coming back from such desperate situation AND then building on it next year will be hugely satisfying. It will more likely remain an impossible dream though
Thats a joke, right??
It's a sorry state if the entire twitter and press alike waiting anxiously all day for the release from OT saying LVG has been sacked. Some fans are even wiling to lose against Stoke if it means LVG will be sacked. At that, I just wanted him to stay and prove everyone wrong.
Hope they're binned
He won't change it around with that dull brand of football, which doesn't l even get results. His favouritism towards Rooney, a gamble he took while offloading every other first team striker has spectacularly failed and even almost halfway in to the season, he wouldn't accept that he is wrong. His mistreatment of Herrera is one other thing, and the mind boggling substitutions, the complete lack of tactical awareness even after spending a full season in the league.. These are the things that stand in his way, if he need to achieve moderate success here. In short the only one standing between his way is himself.
If he wasn't arrogant and stubborn, he can change it around. But from what we have seen there is no chance. Henry's analysis of the parallels between LvG and Guardiola is pretty much spot on. He has given absolutely no freedom for our flair players to show their worth in the final third.
I'd love for him to turn it around. And if he can change, I'd prefer that to having Giggs, or to an extent, Mourinho. However, his notable achievements with a big clubs, with the exception of Bayern 5 years ago, are all more than a decade and half ago.
If Giggs becomes manager we better are prepared for a long period of mediocrity
Could take 4/5 years to get out of if it goes the way we fear.
Based on what facts?
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