To be fair, we don't know why United aren't acting.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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It's a process, or something!
You're deluding yourself. Look at our form last 10, it's relegation form. If we were to continue that trend we'd end up on around 40 odd points, which will be near the bottom.
My guess is we will finish around 7th unless something drastic happens
We are only half way through the season,we have time to turn things around.
We don't have time to turn things around, from now on we need to be better than Arsenal.
Like I said, you're deluding yourself. We need to play like champions until the end of the season to make up the ground. Not going to happen
Chelsea's difficulties go beyond the psychological, Mounrinho's mismanagement of their strike force is comparable to Van Gaal's farce at United (which takes some doing). He's also persisted with the wrong players, whilst outing others in public, a fair few similarities really.
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We weren't playing like "champions" last season either and got in the top 4. While I agree out form is terrible atm, I think we still have a chance of top 4,a 5/6 point cushion is nothing at this stage of the season.
In my dream last night we drew 0-0 with Crystal Palace and he didn't get sacked.
We had 6 more points, we currently have less points than Tottenham last season they were 7th.
It sounds like you are not defending LVG but rather rueing the lack of a suitable replacement (in your eyes) out there. So despite all evidence to the contrary that the LVG reign is rapidly imploding, the most powerful basis you on which we should stay with LVG is hope he can turn things around. What indicia do you have that point towards an upturn in the team's performance?
You are right, but, also to be fair, all the prima facie reasons point to LVG needing to be sacked.
None. But I still retain the belief that unless the players have downed tools we have a better chance making top 4 with LVG in charge than Giggs.
This suggestion of Sir Alex advising Giggs when he inevitably takes-over from LVG is a little interesting - didn't Moyes always say he had Sir Alex's guidance during his season, or was it more that he could if he wanted to speak to Sir Alex? LVG has said in the last week or so that he has spoken with Sir Alex - so has he been advising LVG as well at this difficult time?
My point is, would this guidance of Giggs be any different from what Sir Alex has offered up to this point, or is it really a case (as others have suggested) that Sir Alex wants to get back his influence over United through a puppet manager - which with Moyes' failure leaves Giggs? Whatever else you say about LVG, he is nobody's puppet (well, maybe Rooney's
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My point is, would this guidance of Giggs be any different from what Sir Alex has offered up to this point, or is it really a case (as others have suggested) that Sir Alex wants to get back his influence over United through a puppet manager - which with Moyes' failure leaves Giggs? Whatever else you say about LVG, he is nobody's puppet (well, maybe Rooney's
).I hope it's not a case of leaving him in place until the summer. The new manager will need time to work the transfer market etc. It would be better if he had a chance to work with the squad first
Maybe that's what the board is thinking as well. But can't say this thinking is easy to accept.
Yeah, I came back on earth and realize that our season is over, so even if it's Giggs we have nothing to lose. Appointing him now could help him prepare next season.
It's the story of United since 2013. So much dithering and there's nobody who seems capable of making a final decision.
It's why we've missed out on every single top target, why LvG is still here and why we will have no CL football next year once again.
The cut-throat teams are now so far ahead of us. We'll dither on with van gaal until the summer which will seal our fate when any other club would have sacked him and stormed back into the top 4 with a fresh approach
I think top 4 is possible with a signing or two. If we signed an actual right winger with genuine pace I think that would be a big help. At the moment most teams know our pace is directed down the left or just lacking in general. This would give Herrera and others another target and also allows for Mata to be dropped and EARN his place back. Unfortunately I also think it would take LvG to loosen the reigns a bit. Which he can do if he plays with his Schneiderlin/Schweinsteiger base but he doesn't show a lot of hope for doing the obvious unless his job is on the line. But top 4 is possible and really it's in part to no team being fantastic this season.
I just think that if the club wanted Mourinho or Giggs, they would have sacked LVG by now.
I haven't given up hope of top 4. With a pit of firepower, I think we can do it. But it will not and should not be enough to save LVG
I think the club hasn't acted because there isn't a better option at the moment. I know some people want Mourinho but it's only because they no longer want Van Gaal. That's not really a great reason to make a change. Especially one that will be to a manager who has a lot of short stints.
Something doesn't add up about the club supposedly not wanting Mourinho though. In a recent interview Ferguson name checked Mourinho and basically said he wasn't offered the United job after Moyes because he had already given his word to Chelsea that he would go back there. This suggests that the board (or just Ferguson) thought that he was a suitable candidate. This muddies the waters somewhat as it means that Ferguson either lied about Mourinho ever being in the frame for the job, or that Ferguson would still want him but has little influence on the board now.
Mourinho's available so what has changed? He's gone through a sticky past 6 months but seen as we are led to believe that Ferguson and the board are all about giving managers time, surely they would believe that the sacking by Chelsea was wrong and therefore he should still be a candidate?
Our best shot at getting CL football next year (assuming we don't sack LVG soon and hire Mourinho) is through the Europa League. Even that is very unlikely.
You're spot on and its time for the club to move on without any influence from Sir Alex and his old boys including in specific mention for Mr Giggs. Fergie was like a God to me for over 20 years but every successful dynasty has a start and a end and at this moment Manchester United as a club don't benefit from all endless speculations.This suggestion of Sir Alex advising Giggs when he inevitably takes-over from LVG is a little interesting - didn't Moyes always say he had Sir Alex's guidance during his season, or was it more that he could if he wanted to speak to Sir Alex? LVG has said in the last week or so that he has spoken with Sir Alex - so has he been advising LVG as well at this difficult time?
My point is, would this guidance of Giggs be any different from what Sir Alex has offered up to this point, or is it really a case (as others have suggested) that Sir Alex wants to get back his influence over United through a puppet manager - which with Moyes' failure leaves Giggs? Whatever else you say about LVG, he is nobody's puppet (well, maybe Rooney's
When its time for LvG to go it's also time for the club to end the uncertainty regarding Mr Giggs future role in the club. The only role I can think of thats suits him is as a DoF, simililar to what Matthias Sammer do for Bayern. A DoF should be in charge of the Academy set up, scouting network, domestic and foreign transfers, long term strategy regarding development of the clubs identity. He should also be a senior adviser to the board and the CEO regarding sport related things. A future manger should only be in charge of managing the first team squad and the results. The only influence he should have over transfers is a veto regarding selling players and a list of two or maybe three players he wants to buy every new season. By giving the manager restrictions regarding transfers the club prevent a situation when only buying and selling players is the answer to better results.
I don't think it's suitable for a club of our size to have a manager who's in charge of everything.
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Hm. Sounds quite confident judging by the quotes from the presser (not seen it, just tweets). Played fantastic at times against Chelsea. Well, Louis - that's your opinion.
Meanwhile, like others I'm now pretty much convinced that the "Crown Prince Ryan" scheme is a reality. That's what they want. And in that light - in that light, I says - it's not raving insanity to stick with LVG as long as he hasn't lost the players. If they're hell bent on having Giggs, it makes sense to have him take over a steady ship. Whether LVG can now re-steady it, after having steadied it initially only to take in plenty of water lately, is another question. But I suppose they consider it at least plausible that he can - and that Maureen simply isn't a viable option.
Fun times, I guess. Scary and fun times.
Meanwhile, like others I'm now pretty much convinced that the "Crown Prince Ryan" scheme is a reality. That's what they want. And in that light - in that light, I says - it's not raving insanity to stick with LVG as long as he hasn't lost the players. If they're hell bent on having Giggs, it makes sense to have him take over a steady ship. Whether LVG can now re-steady it, after having steadied it initially only to take in plenty of water lately, is another question. But I suppose they consider it at least plausible that he can - and that Maureen simply isn't a viable option.
Fun times, I guess. Scary and fun times.
I wish he'd just feck off, if the managers are good we won't sack them, we won't turn into Chelsea or Real who sack their managers after winning the league etc.
We will only sack them if they're shit like Moyes and lvg (hopefully).
If we let Giggs take the helm we'll be effectively sinking the damn ship.
He's going nowhere. He hasn't sorted the team for Sir Ryan yet.
I dont think so, If they board are confident in Giggs taking over the team, they would have appointed him now.
Why wait to see if we are out of top4 at the end of the season and give Giggs the team, rather than now?.
The team, or at least the players we have, are only going to get stronger in a year or two. The board would rather see Giggs take a team finished with the transition, or as near possible, than one with the issues we currently have.
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Need to get the possession stats to see how much LVG has improved us, I guess. United would have been 6th based off last season's point total compared to 2013. So he's marginally better than Moyes.In all fairness we didnt have CL football in Van Gaals 1st season. Thats at least 6 more games, which would result in about 4 extra goals.Tweet
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Well, you'd hope so...but recent times have shown us that it's far from a guarantee.
It's by calendar year though, and we did have CL football in early 2014 under Moyes, unlike in 2015 under LVG. They probably just about even out between each manager.
Fergie talked about how well his team was prepared for the future with youth coming up when he retired. The only one who's still playing regularly and developing is Smalling. LVG has given a few players chances but only because he shipped out so many players he's had to.
Because if Giggs takes over when Mourinho is available, that will be the sub text to everything he does. Every mistake will be compared to what Jose would have done. They will really need to manage the transition carefully because the pressure on Giggs will be huge. Rightly so because it is an absolutely ludicrous decision.
If the alternative is Giggs then give LvG a new 5 year contract.
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