Yes would like to see this team start. Greenwood and Gomes compliment each other.
Manchester United vs Tottenham (Thu 25th July, 12:30 UK time)
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No to Axel playing RB. Rather have:
De Gea
AWB - Lindelof - Tuanzebe - Shaw
Pogba - McTominay
James - Gomes - Rashford
Martial
Subs (60-70mins)
Romero
Dalot - Smalling - Jones - Young
Matic
Fred--------Perreira
Lingard ------------------ Chong
Greenwood
Dalot - Smalling - Jones - Young
Matic
Fred--------Perreira
Lingard ------------------ Chong
Greenwood
Greenwood - Rashford - Martial will be the attack 100%.
I would agree with this. Lets start with what we think is the strongest line-up against a Prem team. A good test because Spurs press too, and good footballing side.
I doubt Ole will start Gomes, with the loyalty to Lingard, I suspect he will start.
Please start Gomes.
De Gea
Fred - McTominay
Greenwood ----------- MartialPogba
Rashford
Is @Amadaeus a United Fan or a Spurs fan? 
Good lineup yeah.
No idea how Poch will line up, started off with pretty much a youth side against Juve only 3-4 first teamers starting.
Neither are legends because not one has won a meaningful trophy. Legends are winners.
De Gea
Wan Bissaka Smalling Tuanzebe Shaw
McTominay Pogba
Greenwood Gomes Martial
Rashford
Pereira
Dalot Jones Bailly Young
Matic Fred
James Mata/Pereira Chong
Lingard
Wan Bissaka Smalling Tuanzebe Shaw
McTominay Pogba
Greenwood Gomes Martial
Rashford
Pereira
Dalot Jones Bailly Young
Matic Fred
James Mata/Pereira Chong
Lingard
Hoping Gomes gets the start or a decent amount of time. Same with Greenwood. Good to see how he gets on vs a top team. Lindelof I'm guessing we'll rest after the knock, one of Pereira/Mata to miss out this game? Should be good though.
Ole won the Norweigan league actually.
Greenwood - 17 year old Van Persie, IMO will be a starter by the end of the season but because of age understandable to take it easy. Injuries and how he deals with the step up in expectations/fame/etc will be the only limitations, no indications that any of that is a problem but it's always a question mark at that age. Has all the talent and physical attributes to reach the top though.
Angel Gomes - immensely talented, looks very mature on the pitch and really hard to take the ball off of and makes smart passes and a great first touch. Looks like he'd suit the classic Barca style as an advanced midfielder with his play style. Tiny in size though, might be protected and only used as a bit part player for a while because of that (similar to Lingard not actually breaking through until like 22 because of his size, though Gomes is far more talented). Contract out next summer I think, and Barca's been rumored to be sniffing, so important to give him a role so he stays.
Play style comparison - a smaller David Silva?
Tahith Chong - 19 years old so a bit more developed. Looks incredibly thin but is very pacey, plays like a classic winger/young Ryan Giggs. Being that play style though leads to inconsistency. Would definitely need to bulk up a decent amount to deal with the premier league IMO, but raw attributes are all there to be an excellent winger, though with wingers, it's always how they deal with inconsistency/decision making. Nani had the talent to be world class but only had 1 or 2 top seasons. I'd guess he either goes on loan to Bundesliga or he stays and gets game time as a squad player but nothing more as of yet. In terms of guarantee of talent I'd have him behind Greenwood and Gomes, but capable of being a brilliant winger if he can handle the physicality and if his decision making improves as he develops (not so much a problem now, just a normal problem with all young wingers).
James Garner - only 17, which as a holding/controlling mid means hes a bit away from any role IMO. Rare to see those types break through til their 20's. Looks talented, creative, a very good passer from deep, just doubt he'll have any role past the odd sub appearance.
Dean Henderson - was one of the top keepers in the championship last year, probably back on loan to Sheffield to be a premier league starter. Highly rated, long term view of eventually replacing De Gea, but De Gea is only 28 I think, not exactly old for a keeper.
Axel Tuanzebe - Mourinho loved him, had a good year at Villa, they wanted him back on loan but looking like Ole wants him to stay this year. IMO if we sign Maguire he'd be 4th choice CB (Maguire, Lindelof, Smalling, Tuanzebe). Talented as a ball playing defender, being young the concerns are handling premier league physicality and dealing with the aerial threats which will take time to get used to.
So a summary:
- Greenwood - 17 y.o., starter by end of the year
- Angel Gomes - 18 y.o., can be squad player this year, talent to be top player
- Tahith Chong - 19 y.o., can be squad player, talent to be top player
- Axel Tuanzebe - 21 y.o., squad player at United, premier league starting level
- Dean Henderson - 22 y.o., premier league starting level
- James Garner - 17 y.o., highly rated, probably years away from actually breaking through because his style of play
'meaningful trophy'
More than Poch has won mate, although he has got you on equal footing with Bayern and Juve.
Why those 2 teams specifically ?More than Poch has won mate, although he has got you on equal footing with Bayern and Juve.
Glaston was saying it in another thread, think it was the Eriksen one.
Well I guess they beat Juve 3-2 few days ago, but cant really get too boosted by pre-season games. LVG beat everyone during pre-season too; didn't mean jack in the end..
Glaston is the one who ruins it for everyone. Have found the spurs fans on here generally quite well reasoned and thoughtful.
@GlastonSpur is just on the wind up, and intentionally creates conflict with his outrageous claims and financial analysis - and clearly on a Utd forum, Utd fans will bite back.
... anyway, hopefully we continue to see a progression of OGS’ team and methodology. Should be a good workout, that’s all that matters - and we can do without the inevitable micro analysis at the end of the match. It’s pre-season.
I think the caption below his name says it all.Is @Amadaeus a United Fan or a Spurs fan?
Wouldn't be surprised if he moved towards playing more of the senior lot as i doubt he'll start many of the youth against Chelsea.
He didn't fancy them a few month ago in our meaningless games so are a few preseason games going to convince him to suddenly start against a top team? Doubt it, we'll maybe see Greenwood of the bench.
He didn't fancy them a few month ago in our meaningless games so are a few preseason games going to convince him to suddenly start against a top team? Doubt it, we'll maybe see Greenwood of the bench.
Awesome. Thanks.
So no midfielders coming through that could get playing time this season?
McTominay should get a bigger role (probably directly replacing Matic), Pereira should have a bigger role (don't think he's ultimately aware enough to do that in the premier league), Fred you would expect can't be as bad, Gomes being a #10/advanced playmaker type... but not really. CB needs sorting out for us, as does right wing, but we do have promising youth in both. Midfield is where I don't see anything realistically that can change drastically this season or next with what we have, other than McTominay improving (but even then, to what extent?). So it's definitely a concern and why I think Ole wants Longstaff.
Didn't say it wasn't. The statement the guy I quoted made was that neither have won a meaningful trophy, and that's absolutely the case.More than Poch has won mate, although he has got you on equal footing with Bayern and Juve.
They both still have a lot to prove as managers. Ole more so, but Pochettino is still far from the finished deal and I think he would admit that himself.
@Amadaeus Isn't a Spurs fan he's a Pochettino fan.
Who the hell is a fan of a manager?!
Pochettino fan.Is @Amadaeus a United Fan or a Spurs fan?
I know mate, I'm only playing.
In all seriousness though, of course the Norweigan league is a meaningful trophy.
Not compared to the premier league or the cups of course, but it's still winning a league.
I'd argue winning any trophy is meaningful, to some extent anyway.
It's not meaningful in terms of elite European football. It's less meaningful than managers having won the championship for example, and no top side would hire a manager because he succeeded in the championship.
I mean the Norwegian League is what, the 25th best league in the world? It's obviously meaningful to some people, but it's not remotely comparable to success of any kind in a top division, let alone reaching the final of Europe's most prestigious cup competition. People do love to beat the trophy drum but a degree of sense needs to be applied to it, Eddie Howe boasts a championship trophy but would anybody claim that makes him a more successful manager than Pochettino?
I'm a solid 90% sure they're related.
Hows folk feeling regarding our pre-season form? I remember when we won every game pre-season and started the season woefully. Hopefully this game will give us more options to explore for our main 11 come start of the season.
No teams are perfect, Pep and Klopp produced some tactical masterclass leading up to the finals, yet they were susceptible to some poor performance. It doesn’t mean that because of those performance that we can ignore the good ones. Similarly, Pochettino produce a lot of tactical masterclass leading up to the finals, yet you are only focused on the performance that some Spurs players were not at their best. It is hard to argue against the fact that what pochettino did with that Spurs side was remarkable last season.
They still had to create those chances and produce the results needed to go through. If they were fortunate, they would have been found out long before reaching the finals yet, they weren’t. In fact, it was the opposite and they were able to dominate teams that are supposedly not superior to and also do things that most other clubs wouldn’t be able to do. Inter is a tough team and showed more effective performance in the cup competition than in the league. You can’t compare inter to the likes of Young boys, AEK, Pilsen and so on. That is just ludicrous.Going through purely on the back of a double deflection isn't fortunate? Having to rely on other teams to do you favours isn't fortunate? Sure chief.
Inter finished 4th in the league behind bleedin' Atlanta, and over 20 points behind Juve.
I am discussing the whole tournament
. You are the one only focusing on the group stage Spurs knockout performance were way better than the ones in the group stage, so I am not surprised that you will focused more on that aspect. How many times has sir Alex teams scores last minute equalizer or winners? It is not about being fortunate, but more so about showing the required grit and mentality to achieve the desired results. That mentality is what champions are made of and is not about just being fortunate. Pochettino produced tactical masterclass many times leading up to the finals and in the finals. It was more so perfection than imperfection.United fan of course. Why would I be a Spurs fan? Even though, I have called for United to sign Pochettino while he was at Southampton, and also Sir Alex seemed to want him at United as well, Spurs was fortunate that they were able to get such a great manager. It is good to know that I was right about how his career would pan out even before he was regarded highly.Is @Amadaeus a United Fan or a Spurs fan?
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I like him wouldn’t say I was a fanboy of his
, now if he wins us a trophy that could change.I see...No teams are perfect, Pep and Klopp produced some tactical masterclass leading up to the finals, yet they were susceptible to some poor performance. It doesn’t mean that because of those performance that we can ignore the good ones. Similarly, Pochettino produce a lot of tactical masterclass leading up to the finals, yet you are only focused on the performance that some Spurs players were not at their best. It is hard to argue against the fact that what pochettino did with that Spurs side was remarkable last season.
They still had to create those chances and produce the results needed to go through. If they were fortunate, they would have been found out long before reaching the finals yet, they weren’t. In fact, it was the opposite and they were able to dominate teams that are supposedly not superior to and also do things that most other clubs wouldn’t be able to do. Inter is a tough team and showed more effective performance in the cup competition than in the league. You can’t compare inter to the likes of Young boys, AEK, Pilsen and so on. That is just ludicrous.
I am discussing the whole tournament
United fan of course. Why would I be a Spurs fan? Even though, I have called for United to sign Pochettino while he was at Southampton, and also Sir Alex seemed to want him at United as well, Spurs was fortunate that they were able to get such a great manager. It is good to know that I was right about how his career would pan out even before he was regarded highly.
we weren’t fortunate, we sold him a project and he took it, you aided that by taking Van Gal of course.Pochettino is great. Levy is very, very lucky he struck gold with him as a manager because otherwise his strategy recently wouldn't have worked at all. 99% of managers would have failed to build what Pochettino has under the circumstances he's been subjected to. I don't know many managers in world football who would be happy having zero net spend season after season whilst having to keep a club in the CL and still getting criticised for a lack of trophies.
That said, I'm pretty sure @Amadaeus fancies him. It's ok, with his new suits and a fresh trim last season he was looking pretty fly.
That said, I'm pretty sure @Amadaeus fancies him. It's ok, with his new suits and a fresh trim last season he was looking pretty fly.
Wenger was another one and towards the end he didn't really get the praise he deserved. Arsenal have become worse than a joke, but at least for many years, he got them into the CL.
I’m not criticising him, I’m just saying I don’t like a trophy Andy he has found him self in a good position a couple of time in the FA cup and once on the biggest stage (the one he really wants). I love the guy I do, but he is not without his flaws.
It's ironic how the likes of DT from AFTV constantly blames Wenger. I agree wenger should have gone much earlier but not many managers would have been able to take them to top given how little they spend. Emery is finding it our hard way.
Every manager has flaws, and no manager in the world is going to build title/cl winning teams without significant investment in to the team. Had he been at a team where he had proper backing to bring in plenty of players of his own (as maybe we're starting to see now) I have no doubt we would have trophies to our name.
But yeah, he's made some of his own mistakes, particular in cup competitions. I find it hard to begrudge him for those mistakes though because the amount of times he has to make do/get inventive because he's clearly been told signings are off the table is unreal.