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Southgate: Other players have had better seasons.

Proceeds to select Luke Shaw.
He explained Shaw was a long shot, but that as he is first choice, he would give him more time.

Rashford isn't worth the hassle considering all the other much better options in his position at the moment.
 

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Would surprise me a lot if he doesn't care. Englands NT, on paper, is one of the strongest in Europe and should be a decent candidate to win the Euros. Not being a part of that is going to be a proper blow.
Don't disagree on England's chances but being in the starting XI and being a bit part player are not the same thing. He'll have come to terms with it a while ago I reckon, since his injury v Coventry at least.
 

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I feel a lot of the frustration with Rashford is borne out of not understanding what he solely is .

He's a specialist . An , on the counter killer . You tell him to conserve his energy for the moments . The footraces .

That is his game in a nutshell . Asking a sprinter to run a marathon before a sprint is not how you prepare him for his moment /sprint .

Moving away from sprint tactics should mean more rotation for Rashford . He's a still a very useful weapon to have as an option .

His face of the club status and wage packet , highlight boardroom level decision making issues , rather than Rashford's one dimensional play style .
 
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Will this make it harder or easier to sell Rashford?

We really need to sell this guy, not worth the wages and the guy do not have a good first touch, second touch or a third touch.

He suits better for a counter attacking side.
 

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I feel a lot of the frustration with Rashford is borne out of not understanding what he solely is .

He's a specialist . An , on the counter killer . You tell him to conserve his energy for the moments . The footraces .

That is his game in a nutshell . Asking a sprinter to run a marathon before a sprint is not how you prepare him for his moment /sprint .

Moving away from sprint tactics should mean more rotation for Rashford . He's a still a very useful weapon to have as an option .

His face of the club status and wage packet , highlight boardroom level decision making issues , rather than Rashford's one dimensional play style .
In a nutshell, he is a "goal scoring specialist" although his goal scoring ability is average. We are 10v11 in games he is not scoring (which is something like 4 out of 5 games).
 

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Why can’t we play a system that has a LB close to him and coach him to pass to him when he is too near an opponent? Sound simple to an armchair manager anyway.
 

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Why can’t we play a system that has a LB close to him and coach him to pass to him when he is too near an opponent? Sound simple to an armchair manager anyway.
I think its clear Rashford doesn't always listen to coaching instructions, this has been clear since Jose was here, Rangnick exposed this even further
 

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Should be a massive wake up call for the lad, that you absolutely can’t rest on your laurels at this level.

Marcus has got bundles of talent but in the application of that talent he’s really letting himself down.
Not sure why many people think he has tons of talent.

I've always thought otherwise right from the start. Chiefly he is deficient in technique for the premier league level.

Many scouts have a relatively simple method of identifying talent at a young age - that is the presence of great ball control.

I believe the root of his inconsistency, or rather consistent mediocrity with a few purple patches (4 months in last 3 years) is as much due to his technical ineptitude rather than the oft cited laziness and tactical stupidity.

Beyond his highlight reel moments such as the elastico that put pogba in to goal in his best period (the 4 months under Ole before back surgery) or the chopback to score against brighton 2-3 seasons back, his basic touch is really really poor for a wing forward in the EPL.

Take even his patented runs behind the backline, the only thing hes really good at: you just expect the ball to bobble badly or bounce to the side or even get completely knocked out of bounds when he receives the through ball or high pass from Bruno. He's usually fast enough to recover, but more technically adept players would control in a manner that they would not have to use speed to sustain the opportunity.

Ball control and touch are the base of most other facets of football - when every control or pass is hampered by poor touch, it is impossible to be a consistent player.

To me, this accounts for his constant inconsistency or general mediocrity with purple patches.
 
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I'm so tired of sulking grandiose players. I hope Rashford picks himself up and comes with some energy to the team on saturday or he might as well look for another club. We need players who gives back and creates synergies with his team mates not someone who constantly looks depressed, annoyed, arrogant or tired. ETH should have built that environment in two years so it is also on him.
 

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His best seasons are when the main striker is willing to be the Provider. (fit) Martial and even Weghorst type. When he's paired with poachers like Ronaldo and Hojlund, where he's expected as the provider, his game suffers. And so does his motivation.
 

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I think you start him for the cup final because he just is our best bet at a goal, against this City side. Personally, I'd try to work some kind of 442 with both him and Hojland up front and wide - pulling apart the City CBs to create space for the counters. Then load the midfield and hope Bruno's radar is on.

While I think a new team would do a world of good for everyone involved, it's simply not going to happen this summer. We have far, far too many issues to sort out and he's on a newish contract. And there has to be a feeling that he can still bounce back as the talent is there. Personally I don't think he will - not many players do, especially ones based on speed - but INEOS are pro-British and he's the face of United (at least was last year).
 

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His best seasons are when the main striker is willing to be the Provider. (fit) Martial and even Weghorst type. When he's paired with poachers like Ronaldo and Hojlund, where he's expected as the provider, his game suffers. And so does his motivation.
Which is why Hojlund was such a bizarre signing. Either he is massively failing to meet the expectations the club had of him to be that all-around striker or we wilfully ignored the fact that he didn’t suit our system at all (all of Rashford, Garnacho and Antony work much better when a Martial type forward).

Possibly the thought was that the two number 8s could provide all the supply, with the CF moving to just be a more basic poacher, but it just hasn’t worked. We’ve seen Rashford and Garnacho both look consistently isolated when they play LW. Antony isn’t good enough but has been made to look much worse because of the system and Hojlund can’t get any supply either.
 

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Which is why Hojlund was such a bizarre signing. Either he is massively failing to meet the expectations the club had of him to be that all-around striker or we wilfully ignored the fact that he didn’t suit our system at all (all of Rashford, Garnacho and Antony work much better when a Martial type forward).

Possibly the thought was that the two number 8s could provide all the supply, with the CF moving to just be a more basic poacher, but it just hasn’t worked. We’ve seen Rashford and Garnacho both look consistently isolated when they play LW. Antony isn’t good enough but has been made to look much worse because of the system and Hojlund can’t get any supply either.
Ten Hag has been using Hojlund as target man, just like he used Weghorst. But I think EtH misjudged Hojlund as although he's a big man, but that's not his game.

Your second paragraph is most likely right. But it's such a bizarre tactic that I don't know if he has used that tactic before in his career, or he's been using United as his experiment. But it's just strange to do such a drastic change on his 2nd year in charge.

Even stranger that he thinks it'ss alright to keep that failing tactic almost the whole season when it's fecking obvious it's not working, and when we have unprecedented injuries also. Almost every team, small or big, just creating so many chances; and our wins are rarely a convincing win.

He's lucky that most of our players are professionals with good attitude. If he pulled this stunt at other big Clubs, there would probably players revolt.
 
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Had another poor season, that's undeniable, but I think we need him against City. Our last 4 goals against City have been scored by either him or Bruno and the pattern of those goals are always fast breaks or a penalty.

I just hope he's mentally right for the game and at his best :nervous:
 

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Here's the problem: Marcus Rashford wants to be the main man, but he doesn't want the responsibility of being the target man, which entails mastering holdup play and playing with your back to the goal. What he wants is for the attack to revolve around him on the left side so that he can his man on and take the shot. That's great for him but we become too predictable and easy to defend when we send everything through him.
 

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He’s has an absolutely shocking season and tbh I probably want to see the back of him in the summer BUT if one player is gonna win us this game on Saturday, it’s likely going to be him.
 

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He’s has an absolutely shocking season and tbh I probably want to see the back of him in the summer BUT if one player is gonna win us this game on Saturday, it’s likely going to be him.
Walker will have Rashford in his pocket. Bruno and Rasmus need to put in epic performances if we’re to score some goals.
 

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Fear of losing out on some hypothetical "magic", should never be given into. Especially when the trick only really work on average every eight matches. It's such a rotten example to show to everyone else, quite apart from younger players, observing that if you turn up once every couple of months, you might have the manager by the balls; fearful off dropping you just in case there's the nagging voice in his head; "But what if he can create that bit of magic, as he did a few weeks ago against Burnley?"

No player epitomises the post-Ferguson slump for United, more than Rashford. Yet still people want to reward him with a starting place at Wembley? Show all those academy player's who'll be in the stands watching on, that actions really don't have consequences. You can still play in the final of you've half-arsed the season.
 
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Fear of losing out on some hypothetical "magic", should never be given into. Especially when the trick only really work on average every eight matches. It's such a rotten example to show to everyone else, quite apart from younger players, observing that if you turn up once every couple of months, you might have the manager by the balls; fearful off dropping you just in case there's the nagging voice in his head; "But what if he can create that bit of magic, as he did a few weeks ago against Burnley?"

No player epitomises the post-Ferguson slump for United, more than Rashford. Yet still people want to reward him with a starting place at Wembley? Show all those academy player's who'll be in the stands watching on, that actions really don't have consequences. You can still play in the final of you've half-arsed the season.
Is that strictly true? On any sane analysis, for large portions of his career Rashford has been a top player, even if you find his weaker seasons (which have unsurprisingly coincided with the rest of the team being absolutely dire) unacceptable.

I would say that the players who more accurately define post Ferguson United, are those who are clearly not up to standard at any point, have their contracts renewed to protect “value” anyway and never leave. Lindelof to me is the poster boy. He’s utterly terrible, seems to escape criticism from the fanbase for most of his failings and I can almost guarantee his career with us will end on a free transfer at contract end, just to complete the picture.
 

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Is that strictly true? On any sane analysis, for large portions of his career Rashford has been a top player, even if you find his weaker seasons (which have unsurprisingly coincided with the rest of the team being absolutely dire) unacceptable.
I'm not sure i agree with the idea he's a poster boy for the post SAF era but i really don't like this excuse that 'because the team struggles the player can't be judged' excuse. As i've said before you only have to look at Palmer for Chelsea, Salah at times for Liverpool during their poor spells, or even Keane for Forest who was in the PFA team of the year when they got relegated-these are players that shine even in struggling teams. To go from 5 goals one season to 30 and then back to single figures is not good enough for an elite player sadly. I can't blame people for questioning him, even though i don't like any abuse directed at him or anyone.

A cup final win, a strong performance and a goal/assist would be a step in the right direction again.I hope he's mentally ready for the fight tomorrow.
 

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I'm not sure i agree with the idea he's a poster boy for the post SAF era but i really don't like this excuse that 'because the team struggles the player can't be judged' excuse. As i've said before you only have to look at Palmer for Chelsea, Salah at times for Liverpool during their poor spells, or even Keane for Forest who was in the PFA team of the year when they got relegated-these are players that shine even in struggling teams. To go from 5 goals one season to 30 and then back to single figures is not good enough for an elite player sadly. I can't blame people for questioning him, even though i don't like any abuse directed at him or anyone.

A cup final win, a strong performance and a goal/assist would be a step in the right direction again.I hope he's mentally ready for the fight tomorrow.
Of course you can still judge a player in a struggling team, but you also can’t ignore what’s going on around them. Rashford’s attitude to adversity has frustrated me this season, as has Casemiro’s and others. That said, I thought he picked his game up noticeably from December onwards and was doing fairly well in the circumstances, until his form dipped off again in April time I suspect due to injury issues.

It’s also odd to compare us to Chelsea, who have been one of the best attacking teams in the league and, on expected points, would have been 20 points clear of us. I suspect it’s the same in Liverpool’s “bad” years as I recall their main issues being defensive. I genuinely don’t think people are fully appreciating how bad the set up at United has been this season and why our attacking players have been neutered as a result.
 

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Hoping for a good farewell game today. More likely going to stroll about for 60 minutes before getting an early summer break and a rest for the next manager.
 

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Hoping for a good farewell game today. More likely going to stroll about for 60 minutes before getting an early summer break and a rest for the next manager.
Rashford won't be going anywhere.
 

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Let's hope he has a good game but doesn't deserve to be starting over Amad or Hojlund in my opinion.
 

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Never scored against City in the cup.

Good day to change that.

(Never scored a hat-trick against City either, but let's not be greedy. A decent performance would be nice, though.)
 

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Glad he starts, he's a big game player so let's hope he proves that today