Yes. Ratcliffe is British and understands how the British public mindset works. Not a chance he opens such a Pandora's box. This smacks of the press making money off United via rumour. Greenwood has been parked at Getafe to get him fit again and get a market value so that he can be sold down the line. Either this summer. Or after an even better loan level post Getafe stint.
Mason Greenwood | 2023/24 Performances | on loan to Getafe
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Not happening. Press trying to drum up hysteria after our manager and players winning PL monthly awards and us beating Chelsea. They have to get people talking about us somehow.
I don't think anything, was just wondering why you are so sure. Fair point though
If he is playing well it improves his chances of returning imo. SJR’s arrival will probably not factor into it either since he wouldn’t technically be the outright owner and would punt the decision to whoever is actually running the day to day footballing operations.
100% There isn’t a forward at our club that he wouldn’t replace when fully fit. Not one. This is besides being the best finisher at the club.
Disagree on this one, if Ratcliffe is nominally in charge of football operations (as reported), or if he's appointed someone, I cannot see a scenario in which Greenwood returns. From a It's perspective I would of thought the best outcome is seeking him for a semi-decent fee (in the context of his charges), like £30-40m would be a huge success for the club. Personally, I'd still prefer to see him binned off ASAP
With our level of consistency on the pitch, that is already open.
There is no way he going for nothing. Our other forwards, one should not be on professional football pitch, one cost £80 million and can only use 1 foot, one who was excellent last season and diabolical this (and is mentally weak), one is persona non grata and the other 2 are aged 18 and 20 respectively.
I do not think it is inconceivable that we are looking for 3 forwards next summer amongst the other areas of the pitch.
The story originates from Romano, so there may be an element of truth in it.
On performances, Greenwood walks into this side. There is pace and tracking back in his work.
I have said it depends on the endeavor and the determination of both he and the club to attempt to acknowledge, accept and then make things right in order to move on.
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I can't see the club with Ratcliffe running football ops even can't contemplating reconsidering an M.G return. Everything they will do from now on will be geared to getting good market fees for him in the futurf. Even if they renewed his deal.
Which is the Glazers. Who already chose to kick him out via loans first. His fate is plain sealed
Unless mason somehow scores 30 goals in the second half of the season and agrees to a 'tell all' interview where everyone involved does their best to make him look good there's simply no short term win here for Ratcliffe, making it a pointless endeavour. He won't touch anything that will make him look bad at this point. Do I think MG is good enough to play for us, undoubtedly. Do I think the new football structure will risk huge backlash by bringing him back without extraordinary circumstances, definitely not
I foresee a tonne of stories over the next few months pushing every outcome including a possible return but it'll all be designed to get us the best possible fee for him. Here's done here
Several seasons abroad performing well , keeping his nose clean the whole time , maybe he'll get another shot here then if everyone really wants it to happen
I foresee a tonne of stories over the next few months pushing every outcome including a possible return but it'll all be designed to get us the best possible fee for him. Here's done here
Several seasons abroad performing well , keeping his nose clean the whole time , maybe he'll get another shot here then if everyone really wants it to happen
I don’t think that was the Glazers as they’re not that tightly involved. More likely it was Arnold after realizing his reintegration plan was leaked.
Exactly this.
We know for a fact that they were planning on bringing him back ffs.
It was the reaction of the media - specially the Athletic than caused them to U-Turn at literally the last minute.
That said, Jim Brexit will not want to be seen to do ANYTHING controversial or that the media can criticise when he achieves his minority stake, so I imagine Mason will leave Utd for a club who are capable of handling the situation.
People seem to be certain that will be a Spanish club… I’m not so sure of that.
What was the context?
The problem with that is the Spanish league and any other European league (with the exception of the Premier League ) can offer a limited salary that he will want to earn. Remember he has lost 18 months of his career and this entire episode will have cost him financially. (I am not getting into judging him and saying he deserves it or not).
I am just trying interpret the life span of a footballers career and the fact that he is English and surely his ambitions surely aspire to play in the most competitive league in the World?
His current performances, I would say are decent and will continue to improve. However, with the club he is playing with and the vast majority of the clubs in opposition, he will only be tested so far.
I have noticed that his first touch and collection and his positioning for when he is about to receive the ball is well advanced in comparison in to his current counterparts.
Yes, his numbers are not elevated, but in terms of seeing his movement, the technical ability and the potential he has if one envisages him playing with a better quality of player, you can see he should be at higher level.
He hasn't lost much money really - match fees, goal bonuses and sponsorship I'd assume. But then an injured player would lose the first 2. He's still been paid vast sums to sit around on his little psycho arse with his ankle tag on. Obviously he's going to want to earn but he and his missus might well put quite a high value on a quiet life too after all this.
Believe me has lost a lot of money. Particularly, when you consider what Manchester United in salary.
*Contract extension was in 2020 taking him up £75, 000 per week. He is likely to have been offered an extension at the end of last season if performances had have continued to improve. Probably in the region of £225, 000 per week.
* You are correct about sponsorships, bonuses but also no international football or participation at an international tournament will have hurt to vast degree.
*Appearances in Champion's League will have remitted more on his salary.
I just cant see how someone will not not want to earn a potentially vast sum of money in the most competitive league when he is an English national, just say to themselves, I will just settle for Real Sociedad.
Also, just to put this into context. Brentford are paying Ivan Toney (who is currently suspended) £125,000 a week.
In this industry you remunerated handsomely for ability.
What I am saying is his ability and performance could outgrow the club he is playing for.
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shocking if true.. how de we even construct such a deal? we essentially gave a club loaning our player 20% of his value?
We're run by amateurs. Clubs like Getafe are taking us to the cleaners.
There's no way that's true.
Only way there could be some truth in that would be if we sell him in Jan while he is still on loan at Getafe and pay them some sort of compensation.
We’re run by a bunch of absolute jokers!
I would also expect that up until he was cleared of charges / charges were dropped, he won’t have been paid his normal salary. There is a very high chance that there will be a clause in all of our players’ contracts that if they are under investigation that the club can have the right to suspend the player and therefore pay his salary (at least in full). So he possibly / probably lost out on a year’s salary earnings too.
It’s actually a clever enough clause when you think about it. I wonder if it’s standard? Because it makes the loan club more invested in the player development. Which gives him more chance of getting games that might otherwise go to players already at the club.
Aye, and if United ultimately decide to take him back, surely the clause is no longer in play.
Feels like a clever enough clause for many loans.
Yay! something else we can all moan about...if it's in a tweet, then it must be true. 
How?? It's a really good clause IMHO because it essentially incentivises them to ensure his development. incase he becomes too good for them that a bigger club comes for him, they are rewarded handsomely. If the club decides to keep him, they get nothing.
The Athletic are going with it.Yay! something else we can all moan about...if it's in a tweet, then it must be true.
I can understand it for loans if it's a young player desperately in need of development time (like a Pellistri) but an established player like Mason, I mean he's a phenomenal talent and I'm surprised they had to butter up the loan deal with something like this.
Quite right.
If Qatar's state bid had won out it would be exactly the same. They were in it for publicity.
'Mason' is toxic and it's for that reason Getafe took United to the cleaners.
So let's sell him to Getafe then. Really am not bothered where he goes.
So now we know why they were willing to take him on
Because he hadn’t played in 18 months and has the worst PR hanging over him.
i find it hard to believe united were that stupid and couldnt just get getafe to take mason for free. Has to be a misunderstanding and be like if we sell him right now in january. Just would give me more reason to say screw the backlash might as well reintegrate at end of season now. 20 percent is a freaking ridic percentage for getafe to receive.
Agree and it won't be some big money anyway. We suck at selling.
If we don't recall him back it's more likely that he'll go on another loan then leave on a free. Unless we sell him real cheap.
It’s precisely what it is, if we sell him this Jan while he’s still on loan then they are entitled to the cut. As bad as we are on the market, we aren’t dumb enough to give the loan club a cut after the loan has expired.
nobody gives two fecks anymore about that
Yep, it was a huge risk for Getafe.
That is shocking clause to give no matter how you spin it. That is a player whos potentil fee can go up to 40-50 mil. In that case we payed them around 10 mil to have first teamer in their squad. 
Surely only exists to protect Getafe against early recall? Once the loan is done, we can sell him anywhere for 100%?
No, to have someone who hasn’t played football in 18 months at 21 years old. Someone nobody else was prepared to touch with a barge poleThat is shocking clause to give no matter how you spin it. That is a player whos potentil fee can go up to 40-50 mil. In that case we payed them around 10 mil to have first teamer in their squad.
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