Disrespectful this thread even exists tbh, there may well be people who have partners/daughters etc that have dealt with such characters as Mason and are well aware of the actual conviction rate for such cases.
Mason Greenwood | Please be respectful and stay on topic
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Nearly every performance has flaws. But aside from him scoring or assisting he will struggle to top that as an overall display. Frankly very few players put in performances as good as that consistently. The critique for me would be he needs to do that more often, it wouldn’t be to nitpick an individual game. So out of interest what would you rate that performance out of 10? For me it’s at least an 8 flaws and all.
What I found interesting was that he actually seemed to grow in the match, particularly the 30 minutes. He has some nice touches in the first half, but in the second he grew and was dangerous everything he received the ball. Of course Atletico were down to 10 men, but I have rarely seen a Simeone side stretched that much.
There was an attack from the left hand side where Greenwood got the ball and put in a cross that excellently cut out by Molina (I think it was).
I thought Riquelme was decent for Atletico.
Unfortunately, as we've learned, most of the people in this thread aren't adept at actually looking at videos or extrapolating events that took place in them. So I wouldn't hold your breath
I think he could smell blood and realised he had the beating of his opposite number. The difference with some Utd players is that he actually has the talent to capitalise on that.
Hahah underrated post
Seems like one of his better performances. Our biggest issue has been a lack of striker and a general lack of ideas in near the oppo box so having this type of capability would be immensely helpful.
A great example of stats misuse.
The point a few were making wasn't about the 17% missed but the quality of some of the 83%.
Many balls go to the wrong player or, too often for my liking, behind the player rather than ahead of their run. I blame years of Martial wanting ball to feet for that
He would still very likely start for us and improve us, but the point being made is valid: we would savage players like Bruno for those sloppy passes, while you are all defending the one not playing for us pointing out how it is a percentage game and not everything works out.
It's better than I expected after 18 months out but even if Atlético are quality oppo, you have to factor in they played with 10 for ~60 minutes. Getafe got at them quite a bit, not just through Greenwood.
Literally exactly what we need on the right. Shame he’s a cnut.
The other way to look at it is that reporting a public figure for rape leading to a rape charge is punishment itself even before you are found guilty hence there is a good number of women doing this.
Now assuming that is the case, which scenario do you think is better
1.their current one with so much ambiguity.
2. A clear statement that incriminates the wife as one of those women, possibly leading to prosecution depending on country laws.
It's the totting up of lateness, poor application in training, attitude and then the off the field issues. That is also fine if you want to overlook it, but it's quite clearly a pattern of behaviour.
Which is Greenwood's schtick, he's always not had the best all round game, so it was incredibly rich to be trying to call out someone like Ronaldo who'd just outscored him in the previous season. I'm not sure how you don't as a normal human or professional (I assume you work), see it as a disrespectful way to act.
That's fine if you think that, just because I'm not showering him with praise doesn't mean I'm biased. I don't hate him, I think he's extremely talented and I'm extremely impressed at the level he's come back to being out for so long. Let's not pretend he was the finished article when he was suspended - far from it.
Yeah, I would give it an 8 as well. Is that an incredibly impressive display? My critique is he needs to be a more rounded team player with better decision making, which that display wasn't a sign of. No one doubts his individual qualities in dribbling and shooting, but that only works if you are absolutely elite at it, which he's not right now.
Yeah, I did. Should have explained it was due to not having images in the FF (despite it being funny)
For obvious reasons. He's incredibly one dimensional and defenders know it. Once his trick has been mitigated there's little else to do. To his credit he is has in recent weeks been tracking back and defending a bit more, but from a strictly attacking perspective, he's pretty limited.
I'm curious how much it would cost Getafe if they buy him permanently.
If he plays like this and keeps improving, I doubt they could afford him. Some other morally dubious club with a bigger budget will come in.
I don't get that point? Is that a negative?
He's one of the best I've seen at hitting the targets regularly with power. This in itself causes all sort of problems, either via goal or a rebound for a team-mate.
I mean it's fair that the thread exists, whether we like it or not he is a professional footballer and a very good talent unfortunately. And he isn't and won't be found guilty of any crime with whatever happened. So there are debates to be had and it generally just comes down to how much somebody cares about the morality of professional athletes if they want him at United or not. Can't just shut down the conversation about it though you can choose to stay out of the conversation if it bothers you!
I just find it tedious and circular. I was hoping he wouldn't be very good and gives us an easy win to get rid. As it is, going to be a tough choice for the new owners. Do the moral thing but sacrifice a 100m talent, or do the one that will help the football team more by bringing him back to help our attack which is in dire need.
Neither do I. He's so much better than any attacker in our squad at the moment, at least on current form.
I would definitely give him a chance At United. Definitely! I mean come on even Murderers get the chance to rehabilitate and learn from their mistakes.
Your innocuous and balanced comment about his performance has produced so much backlash because people have become overly protective of Greenwood in the hopes of seeing him return to United, and perhaps for some more disdainful reasons too.
"incredibly impressive display", "ridiculous performance", "destroying one of the best teams in the league"... Already running out of room for the hyperbolic cringefest to grow after a single notable performance.
That's very silly.
Cmon, hyperbole is pretty standard on football forums. Are you going to police every performance thread?
It's not a negative at all, I'm just saying despite him getting in behind, in the box, etc. the main way he created an opportunity for a teammate was from himself shooting. Repeatedly said throughout this thread, shooting's never been the part of the game that needs improving, but against 10 men, I want him to be finding his team mates better, which he wasn't.
I'm glad you agree it's hyperbole.
You're in the wrong place if you're going to get moody about people overreacting to player performances.
Nah, I'm good, thanks for your concern though.
Don't be purposely obtuse. Your post I responded to was a response to Rood.
The bolded complete nonsense. You would like him to establish his innocence based on selectively acceptable (not the club) and impossible (a police department that closed the case) terms. I don't care if Greenwood plays for United again but this is a bad take.
Err. Put the thread on ignore maybe?
This is a fair question, and my honest answer is that I don't know what to believe.
On the one hand, the evidence looks damning. However, it lacks context, and I can't image her family (let alone her father) standing behind him if he were abusing their daughter. I think it's possible they abused each other and didn't want to admit it, but it's all speculation at this point.
Quite a bit. He's also a big club player and although this 6-12 month training and rehabilitation project seems to be working, his skills and future potential suggest every big club will be tracking him closely and he will eventually end up at one (which doesn't exclude United).
This is very true, to be fair
I wish they had kept the performance thread. I just wanna read people's thoughts on his performance against Atletico and now I feel like I've gone back in time to when the whole debate about him playing for the club again started.
We can never have a good thing in this place.
There's plenty of performance chat in the past few pages. It will depend on whether Getafe played recently, which they have.
that was like watching a soccer porn video for how a winger should play....feck me
he didn't look any different than when he was banging in goals for United on the right wing and helped make the front three of rashy, martial and greenwood arguably the most dangerous front three in the premier league
his ability to go either direction and shoot really well with either foot makes is so difficult to mark him 1v1
ffs...after a week the BS stopped in spain about all that transpired so bring his ass back in the summer, take that additional year extension and put him back in the fecking squad
he didn't look any different than when he was banging in goals for United on the right wing and helped make the front three of rashy, martial and greenwood arguably the most dangerous front three in the premier league
his ability to go either direction and shoot really well with either foot makes is so difficult to mark him 1v1
ffs...after a week the BS stopped in spain about all that transpired so bring his ass back in the summer, take that additional year extension and put him back in the fecking squad
You argue no-one knows what happened because none of us 'were there', yet say a 'lot of fans have the idea that something worse happened than what actually happened' with an unfounded certainty.
The bolded point is particularly stupid. The police did try and pursue the case, it was the Crown Prosecution Service that dropped .
You say 'they have decided that there is no case to prosecute without key witnesses' like it's some kind of gotcha, rather than a turn of events that would have a deleterious effect on any case.
People's decision whether to support a player or not does not have to meet the same threshold as a court case. Your 'if his innocence doesn't matter' comment reads like parody.
What I actually do find interesting is a point someone raised about United being pressured to get rid because he was contracted to them at the time of the alleged offence. If Arse or some other prem team did come in for him at the end of the season and the media went for some redemption arc line, that would be bizarre and two-faced, showing how little they really care about domestic violence.
I’m 50/50 but with performances like that a big club will come calling soon enough. I don’t think it will happen but why not back at United if he is allowed to go and play for another top team.
I understand the argument that United should have higher standards but football lost its soul a long time ago.
I’m 50/50 if I think Mason should play for United again but somebody correct me if i’m wrong. But in the UK every person should be presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty. Unfortunately as the CPS dropped the case they obviously did not have enough evidence for a conviction. If they don’t have enough evidence then maybe he should be free to continue his career no matter how messed up that might seem to some.
Everyone on this planet could believe he is guilty and think he is a scumbag with no morals but unless he is actually found guilty in a court of law we should presume innocence.
As much as most don’t want him to play for the club I
Please bring him back. It's just football. Everyone has moved on. Him playing doesn't mean that we support domestic violence. This cancel culture needs to stop. Everyone does shitty stuff, ALL OF US. Who are any of us to judge another person. Especially if the court didn't.
It just means that we are giving a young man another chance. Think about the victim and their child and what will be best for them. Move to a random country or stay close to family. The club can actually use him to drive awareness and impact with domestic violence and positively impact society.
It just means that we are giving a young man another chance. Think about the victim and their child and what will be best for them. Move to a random country or stay close to family. The club can actually use him to drive awareness and impact with domestic violence and positively impact society.
Arnold's statement only said that a longer version of the clip exists, something we have known all along. He didn't say anything about what the rest of the clip implied, or even that the club have heard it.
Ahhh, so that is what I meant though. The whole situation isn't known either way so declaring him innocent is indeed a strong stance.
Not that it's a problem to me, at least you are outright saying what you think.
Though having said that:
Christ almighty. Sometimes it's probably best not to
