It's about taking a stand. It's what you tried to do with Lewa by refusing to sell him .
I have a sneaky feeling he might join Klopp at Liverpool and be their marquee signing of the summer.
Atleti fans are crazy, Madrid would have been a warzone.
Contracts. Otherwise you can't deny a player his free will.
Hope not.
What options? They are only two: you either sell early or bench them.
I have given mutiple examples of clubs that have.
. He would leave anyway and Dortmund would have UEFA, the German FA and most of the country against them... sounds like a plan.But it also means Real don't even entertain going after their players. Not even Marca dares synthesizing such kind of stories. It forces Real to look elsewhere.
I wrote it before: Then players leave on a free or don't come at all. You suggest a totally unviable business model in a landscape that's entirely different to the rare examples you have provided.
I am not advocating benching him,but could UEFA do about it?He was a product of Bayern Munich's academy system in the first place and BvB got him for around 3 million pounds back in 2008. In that sense, i believe that Dortmund will get some satisfaction from the fee they are going to receive from Bayern for him (even though it won't be a very high fee). Plus most of the time they know how to invest their money wisely. And if they stick to their "never sell more than one first team players per season" principle, this could potentially mean bad news for Klopp or whoever else will look towards their direction for reinforcements this summer.
As for Hummels, he has been at the club for almost a decade and has played a major role in its recent success. It's bad for the fans but, at the end of the day, he is a professional footballer and Bayern Munich guarantee the best wages in the country and their most recent status says they are a "top three in the world" club right now. Hummels, 28 next season, is probably going to sign the last big contract of his career and he's about to enter the most fruitful period in a defender's playing career. All these things matter whether, we fans, like it or not.
I reckon BvB will also be ok. If they manage to fully convert Bender to a CB in a high defensive line, they won't even have to make a big investment at the back. And Tuchel has shown that he knows how to manage and protect his players through rotation.
And i don't think there's nothing Dortmund can do since investors aren't allowed to throw money at a club in Germany. They won't be able to match Bayern's wages ever and most German players (or players who made their breakthrough in the Bundesliga) will always be tempted to play for Bayern Munich and not leave the country and its culture. If Dortmund decide to play hard ball and bench first team players or send them to train with the kids, all they'll achieve will be to make top talents choose other (domestic) destinations or sign very short term contracts with them. The biggest problem is that there aren't any other German clubs who can offer the same money and wages as Bayern, so that the players will have more than one destinations to choose from.
As for the "bench him" option... Yeah, bench Germany's first choice CB in a Euro season, that will work out fine
That would be my dream come true! As I wrote some weeks back: Klopp please to the rescue!
Sagna too
I just think that's necessarily true. Spurs have the same hardline policy and still attract quality players and get their players to sign on longer contracts .
I don't remember Pandev, but Sneijder for example was about Inter not being able to pay his wages iirc and they let both go for peanuts in the end, so how is that great?
You continuously ignore in this thread that a player can refuse to extend at ANY at ANY time, be it 3, 2 or 1 year before the contract expires. Aubameyang accepted a 2-year-extension with 3 years on his contract left so please stop suggesting that Dortmund wouldn't know about the possibility of extending earlier.
I've written above why the EPL and BL are not comparable, and why Götze and Hummels are as Germans and both with a Bavarian history are also not comparable to the cases you mentioned. I'm sorry to say but it's really stunning how this is entirely ignored.
You make some good points. Maybe as you say, Mats isn't as coveted as I think. Maybe Mats is lucky that Bayern want him.
Don't all release clauses in Spain work like that? They're seldom used because of the sheer amount of money put down and the extra taxes attached because the money has to be given to the player by the "buying" club so he can buy out his contract. That's one reason why the Martinez deal (we made use of his 40mil clause) took so long and was such a paper war.
UEFA can't directly punish the club but acts like these rarely go unnoticed. Let's just say that i wouldn't be surprised, if they sent them a ref to feck them over in an important European match.
Or alternately, they'll go to some foreign team.
At least he has less injury problems than Benatia, but who knows what's going to happen when he's at Bayern.
Nobody says a player has to extend every year or be sold. The deadline should be if it isnt sorted 2 years out from a Bosman then it's time to plan without that player.
I dont underestimate the differences between the two league, but equally so, I dont really believe that BVB are entirely powerless as some of you guys are trying to portay them to be.
German players aren't extremely interested by international moves, so what you are suggesting isn't completely applicable and I suspect Bayern to be in constant dialogue with German players, they know when Bayern is open to receive them and that puts Dortmund in a difficult position especially when it comes to Bavarian players.
This isnt a buyout clause per se.
And they sold Berbatov and Carrick to United.
Both Madrid clubs signed the agreement because Real knew trying to sign Atletico players would be chaos. Otherwise they had no reason to agree to something like that. It's not even a written agreement, just a gentlemanly thing.
It's up to Dortmund to change this mindset in that case. I'd rather have a squad fractionally worse and loyal.
It would be hard, but then the upside is that if a player is usually that good, he very would be attracting attention from outside British borders too, and Spurs would be more receptive to that kind of sale.
They can't do that though, unless you think that Dortmund shouldn't sign german players?
I am talking post Berbatov.
But would he have refused to go if those offers were from decent La liga or EPL sides though?
