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Negotiations and contracts take time?So is this ON then or what? I thought Ronaldo had told him he wants him at Juve and Juve had offered silly money? Why hasn't he moved yet?
Negotiations and contracts take time?So is this ON then or what? I thought Ronaldo had told him he wants him at Juve and Juve had offered silly money? Why hasn't he moved yet?
Because Juve are lowballing Ajax (only offering 50m euro) and Raiola is trying to pressure Ajax into selling for that price. So yeah, standard Raiola stuff really.So is this ON then or what? I thought Ronaldo had told him he wants him at Juve and Juve had offered silly money? Why hasn't he moved yet?
I can't believe De Ligt is really on board with that though, he knows he's been treated very well by Van Der Sar et al...is it possible he'll just stay with Ajax if Juve keep fecking about?Because Juve are lowballing Ajax (only offering 50m euro) and Raiola is trying to pressure Ajax into selling for that price. So yeah, standard Raiola stuff really.
Seems he just lets Raiola do his thing, though Raiola has already confirmed they won't go to court over this supposed gentleman's agreement between them and Ajax to let De Ligt leave for 50m if he stayed one more year which he has done. It seems De Ligt really wants to go to Juve but if it doesn't happen I'm sure he has plenty of other options. Staying at Ajax is one of them.I can't believe De Ligt is really on board with that though, he knows he's been treated very well by Van Der Sar et al...is it possible he'll just stay with Ajax if Juve keep fecking about?
Juve will pay upSeems he just lets Raiola do his thing, though Raiola has already confirmed they won't go to court over this supposed gentleman's agreement between them and Ajax to let De Ligt leave for 50m if he stayed one more year which he has done. It seems De Ligt really wants to go to Juve but if it doesn't happen I'm sure he has plenty of other options. Staying at Ajax is one of them.
You mean except for the time they brokered a deal away from Ajax to Juve, and Zlatan picked a fight with Van der Vaart to let him go and lower the price? This later came out during the 2006 Juve scandal when they taped phone conversations and among it was Zlatan chuckling with the chairman how they fooled Ajax. He also put it in his book.Zlatan and Mkhitaryan weren't a problem in the dressing room. They never used Raiola to undermine the manager. And Raiola is an employee of Paul Pogba, not the other way around. People need to stop acting like Raiola is a mad genius who hypnotizes players into becoming his clients so he can use them to extract as much money from each club as he can.
Also, it's pretty naive to think Mourinho and Raiola were partners, and Mourinho somehow coerced Woodward into signing Raiola's clients. Woodward signed Zlatan and Pogba because they're world class players, not because Mourinho held a gun to his head.
Not for us no.So is this ON then or what? I thought Ronaldo had told him he wants him at Juve and Juve had offered silly money? Why hasn't he moved yet?
Us not bringing back Ronaldo was one of our biggest mistakes. We first put it down to Mourinho but then Ronaldo backs him to manage Juve.I know CR was a great signing for them but it wasn't just that, it's how he's also used to entice others to the club and how it now has the domino effect. Juve now are again a viable option for players.
Ronaldo back to United was like an open goal which we horrible failed to tap inUs not bringing back Ronaldo was one of our biggest mistakes. We first put it down to Mourinho but then Ronaldo backs him to manage Juve.
You didn't have that option. Also Cristiano wanted Juventus all alongUs not bringing back Ronaldo was one of our biggest mistakes. We first put it down to Mourinho but then Ronaldo backs him to manage Juve.
They wont get Pogba. Never once bought into them being his preferred side to go to.I don't think Juve can afford Pogba and De Ligt (including wages). This may play into our hands. I hope.
As If he would want to come back here anyway.Us not bringing back Ronaldo was one of our biggest mistakes. We first put it down to Mourinho but then Ronaldo backs him to manage Juve.
I don't think they are really in for Pogba.I don't think Juve can afford Pogba and De Ligt (including wages). This may play into our hands. I hope.
Di Marzio, Romano, Times reported Juve wants Pogba and contacted Riaola.I don't think they are really in for Pogba.
They are in but he will end up at Madrid I think, hence why Juve got RabiotI don't think they are really in for Pogba.
I see no reason for them to get him, where is he going to play they are absolutely stacked in CM? Id say its more Riaola's games than real interest, they would not and could not pay even close to what United want.Di Marzio, Romano, Times reported Juve wants Pogba and contacted Riaola.
Rabiot and Ramsey along with Can, Matuidi, Kedihra, simply don't see it.They are in but he will end up at Madrid I think, hence why Juve got Rabiot
He will play as midfielder as he will be their best midfielder. Whether they can sign him or Pogba is interested to go back instead of signing for Madrid is another discussion.I see no reason for them to get him, where is he going to play they are absolutely stacked in CM? Id say its more Riaola's games than real interest, they would not and could not pay even close to what United want.
The point was Raiola is toxic and we should never deal with him again.Zlatan and Mkhitaryan weren't a problem in the dressing room. They never used Raiola to undermine the manager. And Raiola is an employee of Paul Pogba, not the other way around. People need to stop acting like Raiola is a mad genius who hypnotizes players into becoming his clients so he can use them to extract as much money from each club as he can.
Also, it's pretty naive to think Mourinho and Raiola were partners, and Mourinho somehow coerced Woodward into signing Raiola's clients. Woodward signed Zlatan and Pogba because they're world class players, not because Mourinho held a gun to his head.
You forgot Pjanic, Juve’s best midfielder. And Bentancur.Rabiot and Ramsey along with Can, Matuidi, Kedihra, simply don't see it.
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Interesting. So Raiola says Juve have a personal agreement with DeLigt and just need Ajax to sell him for 50 mil in spite of openly saying no haggling, no bid wars just straight 75.Tweet
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Yeah they would be be first names on the team sheet usually.You forgot Pjanic, Juve’s best midfielder. And Bentancur.
I frankly find hilarious the outrage and name calling by so many fans at Juve -Ajax negotiations.Interesting. So Raiola says Juve have a personal agreement with DeLigt and just need Ajax to sell him for 50 mil in spite of openly saying no haggling, no bid wars just straight 75.
And then Juve go buy another young defender for 20 mil in the interim instead of Dupping their bid.
Juve, Raiola, it's pathetic and so slimy. Even if the off chance it's at all related to United and Pogba, the whole thing stinks.
To be fair, if the plan was to get De Ligt to United AND we get rid of Pogba in the process, that is a win/win for United (I’d drive them both to the relevant airports personally etc.). Pogba wants out anyway.Interesting. So Raiola says Juve have a personal agreement with DeLigt and just need Ajax to sell him for 50 mil in spite of openly saying no haggling, no bid wars just straight 75.
And then Juve go buy another young defender for 20 mil in the interim instead of upping their bid.
Juve, Raiola, it's pathetic and so slimy. Even if the off chance it's at all related to United and Pogba, the whole thing stinks.
True, but apparently he had agreed terms with Barca only to ask for more after feeling his value had risen. Why shouldn't Ajax be allowed to ask for more under the same circumstances?Honestly if there really is a gentleman's agreement to sell him at that price than it's Ajax who are the cnuts
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Uh? doubt he agreed terms with barcelona, but even if he did, what does that have to do with Ajax?True, but apparently he had agreed terms with Barca only to ask for more after feeling his value had risen. Why shouldn't Ajax be allowed to ask for more under the same circumstances?
The story was that De Ligt and Raiola had a similar gentleman’s agreement with Barca and then reneged on it, and now they’re upset that Ajax apparently did the same thing.Uh? doubt he agreed terms with barcelona, but even if he did, what does that have to do with Ajax?
You do realise De Light played against us in the Europa league final that year? I think United fans at least have known about him for a long time.I frankly find hilarious the outrage and name calling by so many fans at Juve -Ajax negotiations.
BTW juve was following De Ligt since 2 years ago so much so that he was invited to visit the training facilities when he was in Turin for an award over 18 months ago, that's when most of you did not even know about his existence.
Last year they already made an offer for 30 M before his stellar season and it was rejected (now it seems based on a gentlemen agreement that Ajax is reneging) . Now there is no particular scandal in trying to stick to that agreement nor from Ajax point of view in trying to get more out of the deal based on last season, bearing in mind that the package Raiola was able to agree for de ligt was also based on the assumption that Ajax stuck to the deal. Now they will probably find a middle ground but that is just a normal negotiation.
I guess for some here it would be more elegant to just cough up whatever the counterpart comes up with, but I do not think it is a great way to manage successfully a club.
As for Raiola he is no angel, nor devil, there is a reason why many top players get him as an agent, and there are quite a few that have not necessarily moved around like Nedved or Hamsik or Donnarumma. If Pogba wanted to stay, he stayed, I doubt it is Raiola that decided in his place.
Mh, still doesn't change what i said. Would only mean De Ligt also acted like a cnutThe story was that De Ligt and Raiola had a similar gentleman’s agreement with Barca and then reneged on it, and now they’re upset that Ajax apparently did the same thing.
Especially since its been said all summer that Ajax want 75m eurosMh, still doesn't change what i said. Would only mean De Ligt also acted like a cnut
I still find it hard to believe there is such a gentleman's agreement anyways, wouldn't make sense that all the other clubs were offering more than the €50m...
This part is just utter nonsense. If there was a gentlemans agreement with Ajax why was a fee agreed with Barca and personal terms negotiated without Juve submitting a bid? Why did PSG then meet the asking price and also negotiate with de Ligt and Raiola? In the event that your agreement existed that deal would have been one of the first things Juve took care of at the end of the season and the player would not have been in discussion with so many other clubs.I frankly find hilarious the outrage and name calling by so many fans at Juve -Ajax negotiations.
Last year they already made an offer for 30 M before his stellar season and it was rejected (now it seems based on a gentlemen agreement that Ajax is reneging) . Now there is no particular scandal in trying to stick to that agreement nor from Ajax point of view in trying to get more out of the deal based on last season, bearing in mind that the package Raiola was able to agree for de ligt was also based on the assumption that Ajax stuck to the deal. Now they will probably find a middle ground but that is just a normal negotiation.
And rightfully. Mino, you created a mess with Pogba so either both of them are at United or we only keep one but you can sell De Ligt to someone else and get your fees. Good luck.So Ian McGary is claiming on the "Transfer Window" Podcast that Mino Raiola has again met with Ed Woodward and proposed the transfer of his client Matthijs de Ligt to Manchester United. According to him, the player's terms have been agreed with Juventus and they feel a deal can be reached with Ajax however Juventus are refusing to pay the large agent fee and that has held up the deal. Manchester United are however cautious given the situation which has transpired with Paul Pogba and are reluctant to push ahead with such a deal.
https://play.acast.com/s/thetransferwindow/8a4e294f-ad42-4c80-9ad5-105cb7723dca