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Lindelof : Non defending centre back
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I am struggling to see Harry’s brilliance. I see a major howler every game. Now I know he has improved our distribution from the back but his lack of pace on the turn and his tendency to make big errors just really scares me.How can you say he’s best on current form? Maguire was brilliant in his previous few games, even scoring and delivering captain’s performances.
lindelof hasnt made an error and somehow we’ve been able to cover his passive defending since project restart. Doesn’t mean I don’t want him replaced, I do because he’s a glaring weak spot in the first team.
Can't the exact same thing be said for Lindelof? Replace headers with not getting showed up by anyone running at him at pace or defending well in 1v1 situations, the only difference I see is 1 cost 40mn the other 80 but somehow its the mistakes of the 80mn signing that get excused and overlooked.Don't think Harry is a major problem. He just had a bad game which happens. Still wins a lot of headers for me which Lindelof doesn't. I'd replace Lindelof with a good pacy CB and our defense would be brilliant.
People are so fecking fast to judge in here. It’s terrible.He is a nothing defender he isn't good at anything.
We alsi didnt need someone who isnt good enough. for a world record feeNo one said he's old. The 130m investment is just not worthy for 28 years old centre back. Every clubs have the same idea, but it seems you have different one.
"development project" instead of going for someone more proven and step up to be a leader directly? That wasn't what we needed last summer, we couldn't afford another punt of 30m again like what we did on Lindelof, Bailly & Rojo.
So basically you agreeMaguire can play ball and win headers. Seems to be a dressing room leader too which gets him a place for now. If we were to sign two top class centre backs then neither Lindelof of Maguire would start.
Given that we have eight clean sheets in our recent run, and given that the four goals we did let in after the break were due to a whole lot of things other than pace, I’d say we’re dealimg with it quite fine.You cant have 2 slow CBs. One needs to have pace preferably both in an aggressive attacking side. Thats what Rio was saying if you listened to the whole thing.
Given we already had Lindelof Maguire was the wrong signing
No you clearly missed the pointI haven’t missed any point. You intimated that our league position is a product of our defending and I disagree. And yes, I do believe our defence is adequately prepared to support a title challenge. It can be improved, of course, but it’s made up of some very good players who generally defend well. Our problem has been scoring goals; this has been the problem for seven years. Fix that and our defence motors along quite nicely.
Whilst I don't want to shit on Maguire here he definitely needs to close his legs when Stanislas is out there going for the meg. Stanislas was having a great game but clearly that was possible to defend so yeah, it's a mistake.Can't believe what I'm reading here.
Maguire has been excellent for us this season. As for not being the captain, this is laughable. Read plenty of articles talking about how vocal he is in organising the defence.
4 goals conceded in 15 games and he's played every minute of those games. Scored 3 or 4 himself too.
Do people realise that in football the other team is trying to score too and sometimes they will succeed. The only goal which I think he could do much better for was the one against spurs. And even then, that one came after a 3 month lock down when the players were only just back.
United fans eh?
Can't believe what I'm reading here.
Maguire has been excellent for us this season. As for not being the captain, this is laughable. Read plenty of articles talking about how vocal he is in organising the defence.
4 goals conceded in 15 games and he's played every minute of those games. Scored 3 or 4 himself too.
Do people realise that in football the other team is trying to score too and sometimes they will succeed. The only goal which I think he could do much better for was the one against spurs. And even then, that one came after a 3 month lock down when the players were only just back.
United fans eh?
It's not even the nutmeg that I have the issue with. Instead it's how easy he let him round him after getting 'megged. He should have been using his big frame to make that a LOT harder.Whilst I don't want to shit on Maguire here he definitely needs to close his legs when Stanislas is out there going for the meg. Stanislas was having a great game but clearly that was possible to defend so yeah, it's a mistake.
I don't think Lindeloff does well in that department either. Nevertheless Harry has to improve his 1 v 1 better but given a choice between the two i would opt for Maguire.Can't the exact same thing be said for Lindelof? Replace headers with not getting showed up by anyone running at him at pace or defending well in 1v1 situations, the only difference I see is 1 cost 40mn the other 80 but somehow its the mistakes of the 80mn signing that get excused and overlooked.
It looks like Lindelof’s role has changed a little and instead of always stay as last man, he is now told to move forward. The clip you posted showed how he won back the ball high and early several times, passed through to attackers twice and went through himself, in just a few minutes. We need more like this.First and foremost, this comment of mine has nothing to do with if Lindelof should start or not.
I really liked the way Lindelof allowed us to sustain pressure on Bournemouth in this passage of play which I've highlighted.
You can refine that even further and say our problem has been scoring goals against compact defending, an issue that looks like it has come to an end.I haven’t missed any point. You intimated that our league position is a product of our defending and I disagree. And yes, I do believe our defence is adequately prepared to support a title challenge. It can be improved, of course, but it’s made up of some very good players who generally defend well. Our problem has been scoring goals; this has been the problem for seven years. Fix that and our defence motors along quite nicely.
I don’t think that strengthening CB is a priority this summer. Sancho and Grealish are what we need to address the sharp decline in attacking quality once you look beyond the XI.The whole team has performed great for some time now. Both in terms of defending and scoring goals. Why would we want to start rearranging things now? The CB we need to get is not a world class £100 mill CB. It is the third CB who can compete for the starting xi and be a backup one can trust. The one we hoped Tuanzebe would be.
You can’t say something and then pretend you meant something completely different when others explain to you why you’re wrong. That isn’t debate.No you clearly missed the point
No, neither do I. But there are not many options behind Lindelof and Maguire. The backups are more often injured than fit and I don’t really trust them.I don’t think that strengthening CB is a priority this summer. Sancho and Grealish are what we need to address the sharp decline in attacking quality once you look beyond the XI.
If you followed the conversation and what I replied to you would see the point.You can’t say something and then pretend you meant something completely different when others explain to you why you’re wrong. That isn’t debate.
That’s a fair point. Neville was talking about trying McT there. He’s good in the air, strong, quick and decent on the ball for a CB.No, neither do I. But there is not many options behind Lindelof and Maguire. The backups are more often injured than fit and I don’t really trust them.
I think he has all the “obvious” characteristics that would make him a good CB. Then of course we don’t know if he has the awareness, cooperations skills, positioning, etc. But since there are so many CM atm it makes sense to try.That’s a fair point. Neville was talking about trying McT there. He’s good in the air, strong, quick and decent on the ball for a CB.
I did. And you’ve only gone and repeated the same daft point. Our goals conceded tally is not the reason we’re fighting for top four. It’s the goals scored tally, which has been pointed out to you by myself and others. It’s why City are clear of us in spite of having conceded the same amount of goals as we have; they score lots of goals. This has been the case for years: our defence being one of the best in the league, meanwhile our goal scoring numbers generally languish between fifth and eighth. Go back and check the league tables if you wish; we were being outscored by Bournemouth over the course of 38 games.If you followed the conversation and what I replied to you would see the point.
It was determined that our defence was good enough and this had been displayed this season. I pointed out that we are fighting for top 4.
So in no way can we say our defence is good enough to win the UCL and PL unless you believe that isnt the goal.
And the defence has not been tested in the UCL but keep going and suggesting it is good enough to win itI did. And you’ve only gone and repeated the same daft point. Our goals conceded tally is not the reason we’re fighting for top four. It’s the goals scored tally, which has been pointed out to you by myself and others. It’s why City are clear of us in spite of having conceded the same amount of goals as we have; they score lots of goals. This has been the case for years: our defence being one of the best in the league, meanwhile our goal scoring numbers generally languish between fifth and eighth. Go back and check the league tables if you wish; we were being outscored by Bournemouth over the course of 38 games.
People say forgotten but was it ever really true? He was great the last game but he still makes lots of errors positionally as he has done in pretty much every game since we’ve come back.Frustrates me to no end how easily this is forgotten.
Similarly, Mctominay and Fred were practically carrying this team before Bruno arrived, now they're being shit on in the matchday thread because they look a little rusty after a 3 month layoff.
You’re being a numpty. Just admit you are off the mark instead of digging holes. We both know that I never suggested the defence is good enough to win the Champions League. We both know it because it isn’t said anywhere throughout this thread. I said it is good enough to support an adequate challenge for the title provided we fix the issue of scoring goals. I believe I’m right in that.And the defence has not been tested in the UCL but keep going and suggesting it is good enough to win it
I said it ages ago. As United our aim is winning the league and UCLYou’re being a numpty. Just admit you are off the mark instead of digging holes. We both know that I never suggested the defence is good enough to win the Champions League. We both know it because it isn’t said anywhere throughout this thread. I said it is good enough to support an adequate challenge for the title provided we fix the issue of scoring goals. I believe I’m right in that.
Nobody should be rating Maguire because of his price tag. That would be stupid. Its debatable how much he is worth as a centre back, but IMO he is undoubtedly an 80m leader, and boy did we need an 80m leader in this team.Well we didn't buy him for 80m and make him captain so he has to carry the blame. Maguire is good but definitely not world class or worth 80m. If you took away his price tag United fans would rate him less
Agree with youYou’re being a numpty. Just admit you are off the mark instead of digging holes. We both know that I never suggested the defence is good enough to win the Champions League. We both know it because it isn’t said anywhere throughout this thread. I said it is good enough to support an adequate challenge for the title provided we fix the issue of scoring goals. I believe I’m right in that.
So we have clarified that I didn’t suggest it was good enough to win the Champions League. Great.I said it ages ago. As United our aim is winning the league and UCL
Wtf has mourinho got to do with anything.Are you Mourinho? When you attack, and most fans prefer continue attacking instead of parking the bus, leaving gap behind the full back is inevitable, unless you play 352.
To fill up the gap, you rely on MF and your CB to do the job. In fact, conceding the 1st goal had nothing to do with gap or tactics. Maguire was responsible for it 100%. How can you let anyone pass you like this? Not even Messi. It was simply complacency and lacking concentration.
Maguire was partly responsible for the 2nd goal as well, the mis-pass before Matic' mis-pass. May be too many games and tiredness has something to do with those elementary error(s).
He was at fault but others were at fault too. Stanlisis nutmegged him too easily. What game were you watchingWhat did Maguire put wrong for that first goal anyway? He was able to block the shot/pass that went towards the goal/Solanke, ball bounced back then he went towards the ball tried to get the ball first. Calling him the problem for that goal while others were ball watching not trying to help is just a bit too clueless of what's going on.
When Lindelof put the foot wrong, Bissaka & Maguire always there to cover him. On the opposite side, Lindelof couldn't cover his partner, the Spurs goal sums up.
Absolutely. I personally hate this British bias towards signing players. And the silly thing is Koulibally would of only cost 10 million extra.Amen.
Maguire was another Brexit buy. Buy a prominent British player because... he's decent and British. If we had someone assess the kind of CB the squad needed, we would have never spent that kind of money on him.
Now people have to jump through several hoops, so they can justify keeping Maguire in the starting line-up, while relegating Lindelof to the bench because of the same weaknesses our amazing CB captain possesses.
Tl; dr: we should have bought Koulibaly with the Maguire money.