@WeePat spends most of his time here insulting Arsenal instead of talking about Chelsea so its not a surprise. Porto's manager is a drama queen and he says this to anyone anytime he loses. If was ever managing Arsenal people would lose their sh1t.
Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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Was this guy this big a douche during his playing days? I remember him as your run of the mill Arsenal pussy during his time with them. This hard man act all started with his managerial stint, right? What is it? The Pep effect? Or is this his alter ego finally presenting itself?
It's weird how every manager seems to be insulting him after a defeat.
Because he is a prat
Arteta is a fecking scumbag! That cnut and their fans make what should be a very easy choice in hoping they win league very difficult.
Don’t believe the accusations based on history. Sure Arteta is a bit jumpy, but I can’t see him disrespecting someone’s family?
Porto manager also accused Tuchel and Pep by the way.
Porto manager also accused Tuchel and Pep by the way.
I'm not sure what level of abuse you're used to on a football pitch but some random things about someone's family, mother, sister are probably the bare minimum.
Wouldn't put it past him to say something stupid when he's bouncing around like a popcorn on the side. That said, I'm sure most managers have heard/said something stupid and didn't go running to the media like little fairies.
"Like a popcorn"
Not as big a fan of the "little fairies" part though. Useless rhetoric.
I thought it was more acceptable as a gender neutral slur?"Like a popcorn"
Not as big a fan of the "little fairies" part though. Useless rhetoric.
Fine, massive fecking wuss.
I didn't! And don't!
This was me being very green to the traditions of English/European sawker, wondering why you would have such animosity between teams from the same city. If the Knicks and Nets can get together, and root for each other's teams against opponents from outside, why not...
Again, very green
Mate, between you and kouroux, you definitely make up 100% an Arsenal fan. I've observed you two long enough on here.
It just seems so random:
Conceicao: 'Hey that was a bad tackle'
Arteta: 'Shut up'
Conceicao: 'Feck you'
Arteta: 'Feck your family'
Concaicao: 'That's horrible Mikel, my abuela is dead'
Very very hard....it sometimes makes you ponder, will it be so bad if Liverpool equal our record or City win it for the 4th time in a row, until you snap out of it.
It's pretty likely Conceição is making this up and/or misunderstood something. He is a major grade A cnut and that is some of his appeal I guess. I was surprised he didn't try to get a red card yesterday
That said it's awesome to watch him lash out at "holier than thou" characters.
In the first leg when Arteta complained we didn't want to play he said "They wanted to play, we wanted to win".
Some years ago we played City and in Dragão we drew 0-0. Pep came out mad saying we only wanted to defend and Conceição's answer was "I would be mad too if I couldn't score a single goal after spending all that money".
I guess we need to keep these characters in football to have some sort of balance or something
That said it's awesome to watch him lash out at "holier than thou" characters.
In the first leg when Arteta complained we didn't want to play he said "They wanted to play, we wanted to win".
Some years ago we played City and in Dragão we drew 0-0. Pep came out mad saying we only wanted to defend and Conceição's answer was "I would be mad too if I couldn't score a single goal after spending all that money".
I guess we need to keep these characters in football to have some sort of balance or something
I mean, you can post whatever you want of course. I just feel it fits within a certain toxic rhetoric that is commonplace in football in general. I did like the popcorn part though.I thought it was more acceptable as a gender neutral slur?
Fine, massive fecking wuss.
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My brother is one. He made a post yesterday about finding his way to London by hook or crook if/when Arsenal make it to the final. I don't know how to gently inform him the chances of that happening...
I don't know, it could work if he said something like "if you weren't such a time waster maybe you'd have made it to your mum's funeral"
Conceição is not good in anger management, so you must take his words with a pinch of salt. He's much better now, a few years ago he would probably be assaulting Arteta.
Agree, I'll blame the QF high.
Fair enough. I don't remember what that feels like.
Oh damn.
He really is an insufferable wanker. Gets away with murder. My silver lining, as i said elsewhere, is that should arsenal manage to win the league and prevent Liverpool and City, I have absolutely no belief that Arsenal or Arteta would maintain their success. I think they could win one and go another decade without one. If they win it they deserve it of course, but there's always outliers now and then, and I just don't think Arsenal have a spell of dominance in them
I'm curious, what do you base this on? Arsenal have a pretty young squad with several of their key players entering their prime. Rice, Ødegaard, Saka, Martinelli, Saliba, and Gabriel Magalhaes all have at least five years left at their highest level, barring injury. Meanwhile, Liverpool are losing Klopp, and City will eventually lose Pep too, while Chelsea and Man United are scrambling to find any kind of consistency.
I think Arteta is the ultimate tool, but I'd be extremely optimistic about the future as an Arsenal fan.
Everything you say is correct and I may be terribly wrong. I suspect that I'm biased by years of Arsenal managing to fail, and lets say they get pipped this season in heartbreaking fashion - for all their work, they still havent won anything. That would be a massive blow and shows how fine the margins are. So despite all the promise you mention, they still have to fully deliver which is an enormous challenge, and then build on it, which is even harder. Again, they may prove me fully wrong, but I just don't see it. I think they're performing very well as a team, but alot of the guys you mention arent neccesarily very top talents and may struggle should the manager change (for barca for example) or to any change in balance or adversity in injuries and so on. They strike me as a team that needs everything to go right for them to hit top level.
ha how does he "get away with murder"? he's constantly getting booked and touchline bans!
They're probably just both awful.
True, I think City and Liverpool in their current forms are much more resilient to injuries that Arsenal are. Their game at the Etihad after the international break will be very telling of where they are in their progress. If they get smoked like last year, that could be a real blow.
People were talking in a similar way about Spurs under Pochettino after a couple of "title races" and the run to the CL final, then the wheels came off completely.
Even Klopp's Liverpool found themselves scrambling for a CL spot the year after winning the title, and finishing fifth last season.
It could obviously go either way, but it's not like it's complete conjecture to think they won't amount to too much based on the respective records of Arteta as a manager and Arsenal as a club.
Any club can have a season totally derailed by injury. And until Arsenal win something big, there will always be questions about getting over the hump.
But I think Arteta is a far better manager than Pochettino and that Arsenal as a club are much more invested in a long term project than Spurs were at the time. Arsenal's 22-23 season was akin to Spurs 16-17 in that a mid 80s point season came a bit out of nowhere and depended on everything clicking with a group of young players. Spurs reacted to that "leap" season by selling one of their best players (Walker) to a rival and then the following summer not buying a single player. Arsenal reacted to their "leap" season by buying Rice, Havertz, Raya, and Timber and by all indications we will be aggressive again in the market this summer.
Still need to win things and still could have it all fall apart. But the club is much more serious than Spurs ever were about actually trying to win.
yes in that respect spurs' stadium project couldn't have come at a worse time for them. hehe
Of course, no-one can ever predict what will happen. I'm just saying Arsenal seems to be in a fundamentally good place to progress from.
And I don't really buy the whole thing about Arsenal's history. Yes, they had some bad years under Wenger and after, but even then they got a few cups - even Arteta has one. Liverpool came out of their terrible spell by first coming pretty close under Rodgers and then stepping up with Klopp. Don't see why Arsenal couldn't potentially do the same.
The new stadium was not a good thing looking back or at least the timing of it. It's all hindsight because they couldn't really have predicted everything that would happen. It stopped us from getting and keeping the players we needed to compete at a time where Chelsea and then later City were coming in to just splash unearned (at least by the club) moneys around. It did make us uncompetitive for quite a while and the additional stadium revenues were nowhere near the explosion of potential revenue streams generated from merchandising/advertising and tv.
Took us the greater part of a decade to make our way back...Not sure how Arteta would have done in the last ten of the Wenger years. I do think although still a work in progress, he is tactically superior already but I really loved our brand of football under Wenger.
Took us the greater part of a decade to make our way back...Not sure how Arteta would have done in the last ten of the Wenger years. I do think although still a work in progress, he is tactically superior already but I really loved our brand of football under Wenger.
Dalglish won a cup with Liverpool during their worst spell. I'm just not putting much stock in Arteta managing one FA Cup win.
As I said, it could go either way, I just don't think it's a mystery why some people are predicting it's not going to go very far, even if they look in a good place at the moment.
Can't say there's much separating Pochettino at Spurs and Arteta now, for me.
I also think it's a bit unfair to say Spurs weren't committed to a long-term project. Pochettino was sacked in his sixth season at the club. Transfer strategy was obviously botched at Spurs, but they did spend £40 million on Davinson Sanchez and £25 million each on Aurier and Moura, the season after the "leap" so it's not like they didn't invest, even if they did lose Walker. They also reached the CL final the season they didn't buy anyone, then chucked £55 million at Ndombele, and a further £50 million on Bergwijn and Sessengon. It's important to remember they were in the process of moving stadiums at this time, and lord knows we heard enough from Arsenal fans about how their move from Highbury affected their ability to spend. We're also yet to see how Arsenal and their players react to interest from other clubs.
I also think it's unfair to say Spurs weren't serious about trying to win (or at least that Arsenal are "much more serious" about it). The Mourinho hiring was quite literally an attempt at using Pochettino's foundations to achieve success as quickly as possible. It was a bad strategy to achieve that goal, but the goal was the same nonetheless.
Spurs has higher revenue than Arsenal at the moment. I remember it is about 100 million more. Their wage to revenue ratio is also below 50%. They are well managed.
Looking back at their squads now, Poch did brilliantly to still finish 3rd and 4th despite spending nothing after that leap year until the wheels finally came off in his final season, after the CL final heartbreak. That has to be a testament to the work Poch did there, despite being hamstrung by a terrible owner and structure.
Yeah, that was also the time when Pep and Klopp's projects were really revving into gear (and also one really good year for Mourinho before his usual implosion) so the competition was serious too.
I don't rate Poch that highly but Levy screwed him for sure.