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Bale peaked higher but Salah held his longer and was more consistent throughout a season. Bale when he was on it was genuinely one of the most terrifying attackers ever; Rooney's power, Scholes' shooting and Giggs' speed and dribbling
I'm not sure about that Salah was the 2nd best player in the world 2017-18 season (some say the best)

Salah 17/18 > any season from Bale
Madrid fan...would you take Salah for that RW?
 

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I'm not sure about that Salah was the 2nd best player in the world 2017-18 season (some say the best)
4th best honestly. But very very very close to the Messi/Cristiano/Neymar trinity

Madrid fan...would you take Salah for that RW?
Right now? Yeah i would. Impossible though.

Wouldn't be my first choice though
 

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I'm not sure about that Salah was the 2nd best player in the world 2017-18 season (some say the best)
Oh yeah that's why I said Salah's more consistent, season-by-season I'd pick him. Bale didn't peak as high in an entire season but in some matches, when he was on it, he was as scary as Ronaldo or Messi. Even back in 2010, what he did to Maicon was surreal. He destroyed us at OT too in 2012. Feel for him that injuries restricted him from full seasons a lot - still one of the most decorated players ever!
 

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Giorno does really like Salah. Everytime this debate comes up he posts a lot.
I do. I think he's one of the 10 best players in the world

Also very easy to like from his time at Roma. Always has time for fans
 

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This could also belong in the weird feelings in football thread, but every Liverpool fan I know slates Salah and says he's selfish and overrated but every time I watch him he's great.
He gets weird amounts of shit from all corners.
I think people are struggling to reconcile what he is as a player between the promising forward coming from Roma and the outrageous first season.

He's erratic and frequently selfish in front of goal. He also plays with a sustained intensity few forwards can match, does a lot of great work in the build up and pulls out great stuff on a regular basis. Where Mane has uncanny bottle, Salah has unmatched tenacity. It adds up to a genuine world class forward.
 

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Not in Europe he doesn't, not better than Salah
Looks like it to me.

Salah goals/assists vs:

Madrid - 0/0 in 3
PSG - 0/0 in 2
Barcelona - 0/0 in 2
Atletico - 0/0 in 2
Bayern - 0/1 in 2
City - 2/1 in 2
Chelsea - 2/0 in 2

Aguero:

Bayern - 3/1 in 4
Barcelona - 1/1 in 4
Madrid - 1/1 in 3
PSG - 0/0 in 2
Chelsea - 2/0 in 1
Juventus - 0/0 in 1

4 goals in 15 games vs 7 and an extra assist.

Take the English teams out and Salah has no goals and 1 assist in 11 games. That's terrible.
 

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Looks like it to me.

Salah goals/assists vs:

Madrid - 0/0 in 3
PSG - 0/0 in 2
Barcelona - 0/0 in 2
Atletico - 0/0 in 2
Bayern - 0/1 in 2
City - 2/1 in 2
Chelsea - 2/0 in 2

Aguero:

Bayern - 3/1 in 4
Barcelona - 1/1 in 4
Madrid - 1/1 in 3
PSG - 0/0 in 2
Chelsea - 2/0 in 1
Juventus - 0/0 in 1

4 goals in 15 games vs 7 and an extra assist.

Take the English teams out and Salah has no goals and 1 assist in 11 games. That's terrible.
Did Salah play 3 times against Madrid already? And what are the two games against Chelsea? He also didn't play in the Anfield game against Barcelona.
 

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Looks like it to me.

Salah goals/assists vs:

Madrid - 0/0 in 3
PSG - 0/0 in 2
Barcelona - 0/0 in 2
Atletico - 0/0 in 2
Bayern - 0/1 in 2
City - 2/1 in 2
Chelsea - 2/0 in 2

Aguero:

Bayern - 3/1 in 4
Barcelona - 1/1 in 4
Madrid - 1/1 in 3
PSG - 0/0 in 2
Chelsea - 2/0 in 1
Juventus - 0/0 in 1

4 goals in 15 games vs 7 and an extra assist.

Take the English teams out and Salah has no goals and 1 assist in 11 games. That's terrible.
Now do the same for KO stages
 

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Did Salah play 3 times against Madrid already? And what are the two games against Chelsea? He also didn't play in the Anfield game against Barcelona.
The stats for both are career totals.
 

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Now do the same for KO stages
You're basing your entire argument on a single QF tie vs Man City. Other than that he's got 1 assist v Bayern in the last 16, that's literally it, and hes made it to the final what? Twice now?
 

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You're basing your entire argument on a single QF tie vs Man City. Other than that he's got 1 assist v Bayern in the last 16, that's literally it, and hes made it to the final what? Twice now?
That's not it, he also scored against Porto and in the CL final last year ;)
 

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:smirk:

Vs big teams...

Liverpool's ridiculously easy runs are another topic :cool:
Ah gotcha... You were the one that included Chelsea first though :p
 

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Did Salah play 3 times against Madrid already? And what are the two games against Chelsea? He also didn't play in the Anfield game against Barcelona.
The 3 Madrid games are the two 2-0 defeats for Roma v Madrid in the CL and then the 20 minutes or so he managed in the final before the shoulder injury.
 

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The stats for both are career totals.
I don't think including stats for when Salah was turning out for Basel or as a Chelsea sub tells us much about the player he is now.
 

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You're basing your entire argument on a single QF tie vs Man City. Other than that he's got 1 assist v Bayern in the last 16, that's literally it, and hes made it to the final what? Twice now?
Salah has 7 goals and 5 assists in 17
Aguero has 9 goals and 4 assists in 19
 

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Salah was shocking for large parts of this past season.... carried hard by Mane & their full backs. Regressed every year since he signed. Will be even worse next year for sure. Bottles it a lot too, mentally weak and very selfish.
 

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Very true, mate. That was pretty frustrating as well.

To engage in football discussion is to know human stupidity: logical fallacies, cognitive biases, psychological effects. Almost every documented error of formal and informal logic can be found in just a few pages of discussion. In the case of VVD, there was a ton of recency bias and hasty generalisation.

Recency bias is the bane of my existence -- well, at least on football forums. The maxim of "you're only as good as your last game" sums up that line of thinking better than I could.
He's been the best CB for while now. Not only that scoring goals against Bayern, etc. His presence = dominance. And composure on the ball...

Matthijs de ligt. Anther good Dutch defender
 
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Salah was shocking for large parts of this past season.... carried hard by Mane & their full backs. Regressed every year since he signed. Will be even worse next year for sure. Bottles it a lot too, mentally weak and very selfish.
The regressed Salah has the same amount of goals this season from out wide, than our main striker in his best season has through the middle.
That's a sobering one.
 

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We offered deals to Mane and Firmino but the deals didnt go through because of Pool's negotiation skills, Hope we didnt make any offer to Salah too.
 

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He's been the best CB for while now. Not only that scoring goals against Bayern, etc. His presence = dominance. And composure on the ball...

Matthijs de ligt. Anther good Dutch defender
To be fair, we were only talking about VVD being hyped too early after a single season at Liverpool. He's a great defender, but we now have the benefit of a much larger sample size of games from which to accurately draw that conclusion.
 
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We offered deals to Mane and Firmino but the deals didnt go through because of Pool's negotiation skills, Hope we didnt make any offer to Salah too.
I’m not sure that’s the case at all.

If I remember correctly we went for Depay over Mane. Not in any way saying that was the right move!

It’s commonly reported by MEN (yes I know, but they have been reporting the same story for 5 years, so a good level of truth about it) that the link to Firminho was manufactured to flush out the interest from Liverpool, and that Man Utd never had an interest in him. Again, that’s not saying he’s not a good player, just that Liverpool didn’t beat us to his signature, as we were never interested.
 

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What a lovely gesture from Salah. Some real scumbags about but also some lovely people.

 

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Nice gesture. Still hate him
Salah is the Mata of Liverpool. One of my favourite players in the Premiership.

sadly if he’s joined United under van Gaal or Mourinho, he wouldn’t have become the player is he. A brilliant example of Klopp’s management and coaching ability.