I read that a few times and I still don’t fully get what it’s saying; if you press the ball constantly why can’t you play “short”? Assuming short means passing your way up the pitch."If you want to press the ball all the time, you don't play short. If you are dominant in the air you go long. There are lots of poets in football but poets, they don't win many titles.
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I think he is saying if the other team is pressing you go long.I read that a few times and I still don’t fully get what it’s saying; if you press the ball constantly why can’t you play “short”? Assuming short means passing your way up the pitch.
The two feel unrelated. How you defend as a team without the ball and how you move as a team with the ball are separate activities. The most ideal of those will always be active and aggressive pressing and fast and intricate passing - why can’t they go together?
I think you are spot on here.This puts a lot of pressure on Jose next season, if/when we spend the money he feels is required to get us at the level we should be at.
Lukaku
Martial Pogba Winger
Matic Centre Mid
Left back Jones Bailly Right Back
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In the next couple of season, we need to be buying in at least the positions highlighted. Maybe even another winger, as Martial is a striker. Possibly a centre back too.
Preferably, i'd like us to do it in one window, but if thats not realistic, and the right players are not available, then two seasons is fair.
Is being used 'better than LVG' supposed to be impressive? You appear to have set the bar near your ankles.We werent a mess? we had a fat alchoholic as our main striker, past it players like bastian, midfielders bought playing full backs, highest signing fecking off, players openly leaking to the press.
Most if not all of LVG's signings failed and moyes signings have been better used by mourinho than anyone else.
Depay - shit
Bastian- shit
Schniderlin - shit
Rojo - best under jose last year
ADM- fecked off
Blind- squad player at best
Herrera- one good year under jose
Shaw - Injured always
Fellaini - good under jose
Mata - Decent
That is not mourinho's fault where as city already had a better side by then .
Big trophies are expected at a big club. No matter where Bayern/Barca finish their fans will want big trophies if they're spending 150 million every summer. People forget that we're probably the 3rd biggest spenders in Europe right now and Jose has gotten a huge chunk to spend himself.Forget six years, Jose can't even get one and a half without people expecting big trophies. We're at the level we should be if you look at the last 3-4 seasons. It's been made to look a lot worse by a freak City team.
No one has forgotten that. But given how terrible everyone thought LVG was, and the fact that he had handbrakes on us, why is it such a big deal that we are playing like a normal team now? For me, that was only to be expected. Just because we had two terrible managers, it doesn't mean not being terrible after that is like this huge deal. It isn't difficult to release the pointless chained put in place by another.The revisionism on this site in incredible. I remember season 15/16 on here as if it was yesterday and almost 99% were disillusioned with our football and results that season. Yes, we won the FA Cup, however, similar to our EL cup victory last season, we played a shit team in every round and almost fecking lost to Palace in the final. We were being carried on the backs of a 19 year old for the first half of the season, lost to some unknown team from Scandinavia whose name no one knows how to spell which, incidentally, allowed us to identify another kid to help carry us to the FA Cup final.
I'm guessing you forgot all the games at OT we drew, or failed to score in, or failed to have any shots on goal. Honestly, this site has too many posters with short term memories. We were shite in 13/14, not shite in 14/15, dreadful in 15/16, somewhat shite last season, too. But, the way some people speak about it, you'd think we were a few fixes from becoming world beaters again. Before Mourinho joined, the only thing Manchester United knew how to do was passing the ball sideways or backwards. I'm not even saying that he's transformed us into something great, but what we're seeing now is a HUGE improvement on the shower of shite we witnessed in van Gaals last season.
Insomnia curing, some called us.
Van Gaal bought some absolute shite and set us back a few years. We still have to clean some of them out. The players he signed were good enough to fight for top 4, not the league.No one has forgotten that. But given how terrible everyone thought LVG was, and the fact that he had handbrakes on us, why is it such a big deal that we are playing like a normal team now? For me, that was only to be expected. Just because we had two terrible managers, it doesn't mean not being terrible after that is like this huge deal. It isn't difficult to release the pointless chained put in place by another.
Bang on the money.Bottom line, ain't it?
Give the manager, whoever he is, time. That's my stance and has been ever since Fergie retired. Let him build a team according to his standards and methods.
No problem. Patience is my middle name compared to certain posters on here.
But the moment you even suggestively use “lack of funds” as an excuse for not challenging properly, not playing cohesive attacking football, not having a squad versatile or big enough to compensate for central players being injured – well, that's when I call bollocks.
The Glazers have done a lot of things. Depending on who you ask, they've done a lot of bad things too (essentially stopped funding what was more of a “family club” prior to the takeover) – but they certainly haven't been stingy with the transfer budget as such post Fergie. Nobody can claim that. There are posters on here who seem to peddle the idea that we simply can't compete with City anymore, because they've spent X millions more than we have on players – and feckknowswhat on full backs, not least – making the task essentially impossible even for the person still hailed (by those posters) as the greatest manager in the world.
The greatest manager in the world doesn't need to outspend his rivals. The actual greatest manager in the world did not outspend his rivals when push came to shove.
You don't need money to organize an attack. You need extreme amounts of money to “build” a side capable of beating anyone if you don't know how to drill attacking moves – that's the plain truth of the matter.
So?Real wanted 30m more for him from us than they sold him to Chelsea.
Excuses.Van Gaal bought some absolute shite and set us back a few years. We still have to clean some of them out.
Well we got rid of the absolute shit like Depay but some of the average is still in the squad. Darmian and Blind are two. We still use them at fullback. Our fullbacks are ex wingers. Mourinho had to sign Pogba and Lukaku which is half of what his total spend is. Meanwhile Pep already had de Bruyne and Aguero at the club and so didn't have to spend the big amounts we did.Excuses.
City bought some absolute shit too.
Which of LVG "absolute shit" is here anyway?
I should have been clearer. City's season is a freak one and I don't actually have an issue with us being behind them or even at a bit of a distance. What they're doing is not going to happen again and for me it exceeds their actual quality. What I meant by challenge was A) in the a normal season (their season isn't normal) and B) in this season, to be 5-8 points behind. 15/16 is a bit shit really.Surprised to see this sort of post coming from you, squad is good enough to play attacking football sure but to challenge City who are on 55 points from 57?
As for Lindelof taking time to settle, why is it a surprise that a foreign player is taking time?
Blind is a good footballer. Have people forgotten his performances under LVG at CB? Just because Jose doesn't fancy him, it doesn't make him "absolute shit". Apparently there's no limit to Jose worship. Darmian is crap though, I'll give you that one. He's also one, amusingly, the caf drooled over.Well we got rid of the absolute shit like Depay but some of the average is still in the squad. Darmian and Blind are two. We still use them at fullback. Our fullbacks are ex wingers. Mourinho had to sign Pogba and Lukaku which is half of what his total spend is. Meanwhile Pep already had de Bruyne and Aguero at the club and so didn't have to spend the big amounts we did.
It's not excuses. City clearly had a better base to go off. That's why they could spend 130 million on fullbacks this summer.
They're such big trophies, those, that I'm overwhelmed by the weight of your point.Sure.
in 1 year, Jose won a domestic trophy and a European trophy.
In 2 years, LVG won a domestic trophy.
I agree. I was just exagerrating to make a point.5 months is ages? You go move abroad and work for someone new and come back and tell us whether you settled in during that time
Blind is average and is not good enough for a team challenging for the league.Blind is a good footballer. Have people forgotten his performances under LVG at CB? Just because Jose doesn't fancy him, it doesn't make him "absolute shit". Apparently there's no limit to Jose worship. Darmian is crap though, I'll give you that one. He's also one, amusingly, the caf drooled over.
Talking about City's fullbacks - how important have Mendy and Danilo been to their success this season? I think you know the answer. It's convenient to hide behind the expensive fullback point just because Jose made it. But City have improved greatly in other areas too.
Blind is/was a squad player and a good one at that. Not to Jose's liking which is why he should go.Blind is average and is not good enough for a team challenging for the league.
You are missing the point with the fullbacks. Pep already had De Bruyne and Aguero. He didn't have to spend money bringing these players in. Meanwhile Mourinho did have to bring in Pogba and Lukaku which takes up a lot of the budget for both seasons. If Pep has to bring players of this calibre in he probably doesn't get his 130 million spend on fullbacks when he has just spent big money on Sane, Gundogan, Stones etc. They are just further ahead than us. The team under van gaal was nowhere near challenging for the title. The players were good enough for top 4 challenges. Players like Depay and Schneiderlin. Players like Sterling had already challenged for the title.
Quality strikers and CM's are probably the most expensive players in the world.
The point is we are second and above everyone else. We are behind a team that was ahead of us already. People talk about us spending 300 mill like half of it wasn't just to land Lukaku and Pogba. Pep not having to spend anything on De Bruyne and Aguero did him a massive favour. We are behind them in our squad building, probably a similar position to where City were last season. Jose is saying we need to spend more to catch city, and it's true. Our points total is good. The gap is 15 points because City are outrageous this year. We played some good football at times. It can be better and more consistent though. Even Pep had troubles last season.Blind is/was a squad player and a good one at that. Not to Jose's liking which is why he should go.
So what if Pep didn't have to buy these top players? We had to and did. They had to improve the "legs" in the team and did. Both managers improved the squad where they had to. At the start of the season everyone thought the squads were level or thereabouts. Even if you coul argue that City are slightly better, A) the difference shouldn't be 15 points and B) we should play more cohesive and fluid attacking football regardless. The money is more than enough to do that.
As of now. That gap has closed and we're only half way through the season. Let's see where we end up. I see a lot of people handing us some weird second placed trophy already (not specifically you).The point is we are second and above everyone else. We are behind a team that was ahead of us already. People talk about us spending 300 mill like half of it wasn't just to land Lukaku and Pogba. Pep not having to spend anything on De Bruyne and Aguero did him a massive favour. We are behind them in our squad building, probably a similar position to where City were last season. Jose is saying we need to spend more to catch city, and it's true. Our points total is good. The gap is 15 points because City are outrageous this year. We played some good football at times. It can be better and more consistent though. Even Pep had troubles last season.
Where Jose picked up from LVG was worse than what Pep picked up. We probably are a season or two behind.
And we have played some good football, especially at the start. Injuries have not helped us. What would the other teams look like if their best player was out for over 2 months? We can argue about play styles or whatever, but we are still second.As of now. That gap has closed and we're only half way through the season. Let's see where we wend up.
Also, it's possible to play quality and cohesive attacking/other football without spending 400 million instead of 300 million. This is just a convenient curtain to hide behind. With regards to challenging, Jose will have to challenge next season. There's only so long you can keep wheeling out the same lines of rebuilding.
Agreed.Im starting to feel like mourinho is digging his own grave. There is no need to come out with such excuses because they make him look stupid. Money...players.. fans..and what not. Except his tactics everything is at fault in United.
There are teams in the league with far less spend then mourinho ... Playing far better football than United. Why not just get on with the results and reply on the field.
This rant is showing shades of his last Chelsea season where he lost it completely.
What teams do you think play better football than us?Im starting to feel like mourinho is digging his own grave. There is no need to come out with such excuses because they make him look stupid. Money...players.. fans..and what not. Except his tactics everything is at fault in United.
There are teams in the league with far less spend then mourinho ... Playing far better football than United. Why not just get on with the results and reply on the field.
This rant is showing shades of his last Chelsea season where he lost it completely.
Chelsea, City, Liverpool, Tottenham all play better football than mourinho's United. The passing , the movement ..the cohassive link up play is all there to see. Im not saying they dont have their flaws, barring city none of them is a complete team so they are going to have some downside, but their attacking play is better than United all day long.What teams do you think play better football than us?
There are many examples of them all struggling and not playing well especially against teams that sit deeper. We have had games where we have played good football as well. I'm not going to argue against the fact that these teams play better football than us, but really the gap is not as wide as people think. On top of that we have scored as many goals as them, had our best player out for over two months and sit above them anyway.Mourinho is just hiding behind excuses
Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham all play better football than mourinho's United. The passing , the movement ..the cohassive link up play is all there to see. Im not saying they dont have their flaws, barring city none of them is a complete team so they are going to have some downside, but their attacking play is better than United all day long.
Just 1 point ahead of Chelsea, 5 ahead of Liverpool. Comfortably ?I don't get why Mourinho is moaning at all. United are actually doing quite well. Every team has some shitty results over a full season. Comfortably 2nd after half a season with 2.15 ppg is not bad by any standards. Mourinho doesn't need to come up with any excuses.
Perhaps City's freakish season so far is taking its toll on him. Considering the bitter history between him and Pep, Mourinho might be having a tough time stomaching what Pep has done at City in the same time with, although not equal, but similar resources as him.
Lukaku is not dross. Lindelof has done ok so far and Zlatan was on a free.He bought dross like Lukaku, Mikhitaryan, Lindelof and an old Zlatan. It's Mou's fault if the team has not really improved.
Yes because that's how we will compete with this City side.Time for Ed Woodward to man up and tell him if he doesn't like it he can sod off.
We weren't going to accept to be ripped off needlessly.
