Well, top players should not be in the position they are at the moment. They are equally if not more to blame than the manager. There's only a few players who have played to their previous expectations this season.
I understand what you guys are saying. It is a more cohesive performance and one needed to steady the ship in this time of poor form, which is true. But in the context of the season we are having and the repercussions of it. Does it even help matters in the slightest? I guess things are worse after this result but they certainly arent better.
100% agree these are top professionals and alot of them should be completely pissed off with themselves.Which is why I dont think this performance does much for morale. Although this break and trip dubai hopefully give them a left and we come back with a new lease of life.
No, of course it doesn't, but all but the most optimistic supporters know that our league season is over already. Right now we're playing for the poisoned chalice of the Europa. So while we could have taken risks we might also have taken a real beating which would have undermined Moyes even further. Both sides seemed to be adhering to the old one of "never give a sucker an even break". So in that sense I think it was unrealistic to think that we could suddenly have switched on some good, attacking form when we've been struggling for so long. You have to work your way back towards it. I'm hoping last night was a solid first step.
True. But Im sure the players and the staff hadnt given up in the same way some of us have, if they had then that is a more damning statement. I didnt really expect much more I guess I was just hoping for more.
I'm sure they're very realistic about their position. You chase in hope rather than expectation.
Why shouldn't a manager be judged when he has performed so spectacularly badly with a title-winning squad? we are out of the race for top-four in February. I can't even remember ever being in a race for top four and Moyes has somehow managed to get us in one and get us battered out of it by February.
Yeah that is probably true.
His and Carrick's reaction after Cleverley pulls it back to Evra.
Cleverley is the worst player I've ever seen to go on the attack. Good defensively thoughIt's Carrick's mistake more than it's Cleverley's. Why doesn't he have the balls to turn and look for a through ball. Cowardly pass.
His and Carrick's reaction after Cleverley pulls it back to Evra.
Agree.
Probably expected some kind of 1-2 between him and Cleverley.
from where?
I'd be worried if they didn't. The whole "we can cope with out trophies or the CL because look at Liverpool, they still sell shirts" rubbish was concerning and seemed like an acceptance of mediocrity because they still feel they can make money. Hopefully it was just talk to reassure investors but something needs to be done. Some plan needs to be put in place if we are to persist with Moyes which I think we will.
Carrick starts fecking up the move. Unbelievable just how much criticism Clev get compared to Carrick when in fact Carrick hasnt looked a single bit better this season. Also I think Carrick's reaction is more about his own failure in that situation. So much room and the fecker hasnt got the balls to turn.
His and Carrick's reaction after Cleverley pulls it back to Evra.
Yesterday was almost a full strength team from us, and barely created anything of note past the 5minute mark, Arsenal really bottled it last night, after their dire performance against Liverpool they set out not to lose, I wouldn't see it as a positive sign and count on us suddenly clicking into solidity at the back due to last nights game thats for sure.
yup
That reaction from Moyes gives me hope, fantastic to see.
His and Carrick's reaction after Cleverley pulls it back to Evra.
Yeah it's quite fashionable to criticise Cleverley on here.
I don't think we looked dangerous offensively, but we pressed them well, Carrick had a very solid game, we didn't panic at the back which was refreshing and given we lined up quite lite in midfield I thought it was a good result. It was a terrible game really, from both sides, but in terms of chances I think we may have shaded it. Both keepers made one fantastic save, but Robin had that early chance where he really should have done better and then there was that one bit of magic in the whole game where Rooney chipped it in for Robin to head it (which brought about their one good save)
Source?
Looks like Carrick didn't want to take responsibility....Wouldn't be the first time if we're being honest
Exactly. I'm failing to see the positivity from last night.
Our midfield, ladies and gents.
I've looked and can't find one, bull crap I think.
But why? None of Silva, Nasri, Aguero or Negredo are blessed with blistering pace but Pellegrini is happy to use them as a front four because he can count on them to outplay most defences. Why can't Moyes trust the attacking talent at his disposal? In east Manchester there is a tactical blueprint that in Mata, Januzaj, Rooney and Van Persie we have the players to copy. Why don't we? Instead of fretting over how other teams can hurt us why don't we impose ourselves on them?
Imagine the meltdown if he even hinted at this with 13 games left!
I certainly cant answer that question, I am just musing about Moyes' mindset.
Wasn't much the midfield could do with the attack as static as it was just there.
Whats the point in pace if we end up slowing right down and batting crosses in from all angles? Fair enough if the pace was used for quick counters.
