And wear Nike, so all good.
Newcastle owners sanction the murder of 7 men for sit-in protests
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I'm pretty sure life is pretty decent for thousands of slaves that live in Qatar...
I get that laws in KSA are worse than in other arab states but does that mean we shouldn't discuss them as well?
Let’s just concentrate on the football lads
It all started when they allowed City to be bought by a state.
Good job. Money over everything I guess?
Good job. Money over everything I guess?
It's polemic for sure. Let see how their matchgoers celebrate when Trippier scored a freekick against Madrid.
This is totally woosh over my head, mate.
To be honest it really all started with Roman buying Chelsea. The fact a Russian gangster with close ties to a despot passed the fit and proper persons test opened the door for all sorts of nefarious regimes, criminals, chancers and charlatans to worm their way into English football.
Do we really need this sort of thing on a football forum?
So if some people display in an immoral way, that is fine? You're basically saying, 'Who cares if people (including kids) have been tortured and killed' because the fans will still celebrate when they score?
I don't get it. Do you agree with them?
I thought this thread is on Football Forum? I'm questioning from Newcastle fans POV.
And what impact does this have in real life?
Do you think a factor in Saudi Arabia buying Newcastle was some online fans now defending the regime in online arguments?
Ffs.I think changing the way people speak about their country in general is one of the factors for sure. Not just Newcastle and not just online, of course. It's not just Newcastle anyway. For Saudis there's also F1 and golf. I don't think they want to make money off Newcastle.
So let's pretend Russia is the same as North Korea? This shit actually matters to people's lives. I'm sure if you'd asked Romanians under Ceaucescu (whatever, I cant spell to save my life) if theyd prefer the circumstances in Hungary in the 80's, theyd all say yes. I don't see the point pretending that not being completely free but having food and a roof over your head and not being killed indiscriminately is the same as not being completely free and having a shit life.
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1. This thread is about Saudis
2. Why Arab states? What has Qatar got to do with Saudi Arabia? They're both Arab. Okay, makes perfect sense.
Zilch I would argue I believe this whole argument of Sports Washing simply boils down to football fans overrating their own importance in the grand scheme of things .
These countries already have a seat at the top table and don't need defending they are well entrenched in power circles where there are Enough world leaders willing and eager to do their bidding , what they are doing is simply diversifying or simple dick swinging .
What's your objection?
Yes. It’ll probably be on the United forum soon enough.
Yeah they have changed it. For worse. Commentary on Saudi Arabia online is much more negative than positive.
Spot on.
Chelsea as well. But City started the trend where its more accepted. Its where it became normality.
What? It’s horrendous. The actions of the dictatorship. End of. Should not be allowed to hollow out a football club for sports washing purposes. End of. Don’t you agree?
It’s not point scoring
I don’t know if they care for the “negative/positive”… There is definitely a lot of talk about them. And the football related talk isn’t all negative.
Football magazines with millions of followers posting something like this link bellow about Saudi league is actually a positive for the regime’s strategy.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cti6NA5vpWG/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Ah yes, the decent life of not being able to practice popular suffrage, truly something to aspire to.
KSA is barbarity on a level of its own but let’s not pretend that fundamentally they aren’t the same society with the same tyranny being exercised.
And the regime's strategy is what exactly? I want to correlate it to a video of supporters dancing
Ideally noone linked to the state, government or royalty of any country should be able to buy a club -
All history of American, Great Britain, the Middle East and nearly all countries show a history of utter violence and killing just within the last 10-100 years.
All history of American, Great Britain, the Middle East and nearly all countries show a history of utter violence and killing just within the last 10-100 years.
My guess is they're trying to entrench themselves in Western popular culture to create an aura of legitimacy. That legitimacy may help them to attract more investors to Saudi Arabia. After all, I think the Saudi royals are well aware of the need for diversification.
It’s not murder though is it. It’s the death penalty for a rule they broke. I’m not saying it’s right. But I’ve never heard of other countries committing murder for the death penalty.
Death penalty is murder by the state. Legal within their frameworks, yes, but immoral for several reasons
Good for you thinking that. I personally think it’s incredibly stupid to say people can have a decent life if they don’t discuss politics and we should be okay with that and accept it but you do you.
I'm sure that distincton will be of solace to the families.
Not technically murder becasue a handful of blokes have made up an unjust law.
Again we come back to the same point they are already legit for the people who make all these decisions , they aren't seeking acknowledgement or approval from football fans they are just diversifying and preparing for the future . Or they are buying it because they simply can nothing more to it .
Those without enough money to grease the pockets of the necessary people that sanction it.
Why?
Qatar has nothing to do with Saudi Arabia.
Good, succinct and poignant post.
So do you class any ‘war hero’ as a murderer?
They're not yet legit for everyone though.
Life in Qater is pretty good if you have tape around your mouth.
It's nice conjecture nothing more but far from reality , all the things mentioned have already happened for these Nations they don't need to buy Football Clubs for that .
These endless no sense comparisons, like this above, aren't something I get into.
Better question is why you feel the need to if not fully defend, at least water down what's going on in Saudi.
Ok not being argumentative just general question for whom they are not legit not talking about the masses but the power brokers or influential institutions .
Depends on where they’re venturing and expanding to; evidenced in other sports, there’s vested interest in dipping toes. So yes, it is necessary, especially in terms of expediency.