Eddy_JukeZ
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No excuses.
No excuses.
£140m+ is being massively supported. It's as much a net spend as we've ever given any manager. We are the highest spending Premier League side so far and I don't expect that to change.Massively supported?? Are you serious?
We have adressed 2 of the minimum of 5 positions that we needed strengthening in. Paying twice the real value of an average centre half in the process.
We have a weak midfield and forwards.
If we dont get a top class defensive midfielder and a goal scorer before the season starts we will struggle like last season.No
£140m+ is being massively supported. It's as much a net spend as we've ever given any manager. We are the highest spending Premier League side so far and I don't expect that to change.
So yes, he has been massively supported. We're not going to address another two key positions in the same window when it would probably push us past £250m. Not happening, even for a more experienced manager.
Fans are expecting £200m plus support - that is not going to happen.
£140m is a big number, Ole has been backed by Ed Woodward. He has no excuse if he fails.
With the back 5, if we concede more than 30 goals this season that is just poor management.
Lukaku is going so you can scrap 75 million of that net spend for a start, and the huge overspend on Maguire is the greatest part of it.£140m+ is being massively supported. It's as much a net spend as we've ever given any manager. We are the highest spending Premier League side so far and I don't expect that to change.
So yes, he has been massively supported. We're not going to address another two key positions in the same window when it would probably push us past £250m. Not happening, even for a more experienced manager.
I'd stress that I am talking about what we have done so far, but you may turn out to be right depending on how much we get back.You have to remember the window isnt closed yet - If we sell Lukaku for 70 and thats likely and Darmain and possibly one other - CB probably then net spend will be 50-70. Everyone knows the team is not good enough. we were 6th! Most of last season everyone was saying lets stabilize and get to the transfer window and spend big. We fixed defense. Good work. But there is glaring holes in midfield and attack. Big ginormous holes! Our midfield was sht last year and now Herrera left and Matic has further regressed its even worse. All thats holding it together is hope in Mctominay and Pogba who doesnt want to be here. Right wing has been a shambles for how long! And we are on a wing and a prayer to see if Martial or Rashford can step up to score 20 goals. everything is ifs and buts. We are not some mid table team. This is Manchester United.
On top of all that we lose significant sponsorship money if we dont get Champions league next year. And we will further be in a hole of attracting players and it will cost more to get them. Why not spend that money now? Makes no business sense, no football sense, no any sense.
You have to remember the window isnt closed yet - If we sell Lukaku for 70 and thats likely and Darmain and possibly one other - CB probably then net spend will be 50-70. Everyone knows the team is not good enough. we were 6th! Most of last season everyone was saying lets stabilize and get to the transfer window and spend big. We fixed defense. Good work. But there is glaring holes in midfield and attack. Big ginormous holes! Our midfield was sht last year and now Herrera left and Matic has further regressed its even worse. All thats holding it together is hope in Mctominay and Pogba who doesnt want to be here. Right wing has been a shambles for how long! And we are on a wing and a prayer to see if Martial or Rashford can step up to score 20 goals. everything is ifs and buts. We are not some mid table team. This is Manchester United.
On top of all that we lose significant sponsorship money if we dont get Champions league next year. And we will further be in a hole of attracting players and it will cost more to get them. Why not spend that money now? Makes no business sense, no football sense, no any sense.
If we had a top, settled squad like Liverpool or City then I would agree with you.I'd stress that I am talking about what we have done so far, but you may turn out to be right depending on how much we get back.
If we sell Lukaku we could buy a player for a similar amount of money, so it's very up in the air until the end of August as to what our net spend actually is. However, some people just look at the money spent and not what came in. One more big money signing probably means we have 'spent' more than any other season, regardless of what we recoup from player sales, so he has been supported extremely well regardless IMO.
You have to remember the window isnt closed yet - If we sell Lukaku for 70 and thats likely and Darmain and possibly one other - CB probably then net spend will be 50-70. Everyone knows the team is not good enough. we were 6th! Most of last season everyone was saying lets stabilize and get to the transfer window and spend big. We fixed defense. Good work. But there is glaring holes in midfield and attack. Big ginormous holes! Our midfield was sht last year and now Herrera left and Matic has further regressed its even worse. All thats holding it together is hope in Mctominay and Pogba who doesnt want to be here. Right wing has been a shambles for how long! And we are on a wing and a prayer to see if Martial or Rashford can step up to score 20 goals. everything is ifs and buts. We are not some mid table team. This is Manchester United.
On top of all that we lose significant sponsorship money if we dont get Champions league next year. And we will further be in a hole of attracting players and it will cost more to get them. Why not spend that money now? Makes no business sense, no football sense, no any sense.
With Matic in his current form a back 6 might be needed.Fans are expecting £200m plus support - that is not going to happen.
£140m is a big number, Ole has been backed by Ed Woodward. He has no excuse if he fails.
With the back 5, if we concede more than 30 goals this season that is just poor management.
I still maintain that spending £140m is huge support for any manager. It's very much possible that we spend the Lukaku money on a midfielder or forward of some kind (much like the Dybala swap would have been), so the spend could be around the same. If we do sign a player for well in excess of £40m then Ole has actually been supported by an initial outlay of more than Mourinho or Van Gaal received. I find it hard to see this as not being massively supported in a transfer window, especially for someone with Ole's record (or lack thereof).Lukaku is going so you can scrap 75 million of that net spend for a start, and the huge overspend on Maguire is the greatest part of it.
Imagine one of the richest clubs in the world considering spending 250 million to turn us around from being a 6th place club?
The Glaziers have reduced expectations so far that many actually consider this summer as being "massively supported"
No doubt the board will say exactly that, as it stands today I think that is a huge ask for the team.I still maintain that spending £140m is huge support for any manager. It's very much possible that we spend the Lukaku money on a midfielder or forward of some kind (much like the Dybala swap would have been), so the spend could be around the same. If we do sign a player for well in excess of £40m then Ole has actually been supported by an initial outlay of more than Mourinho or Van Gaal received. I find it hard to see this as not being massively supported in a transfer window, especially for someone with Ole's record (or lack thereof).
If we were a team that consistently had a net spend of £150m+ maybe it could be a different story, but as it stands, he's been given enough for the board to say "finish 4th".
The goals conceded also depends on the protection that the midfield gives and the attacking threat we possess.Fans are expecting £200m plus support - that is not going to happen.
£140m is a big number, Ole has been backed by Ed Woodward. He has no excuse if he fails.
With the back 5, if we concede more than 30 goals this season that is just poor management.
I still maintain that spending £140m is huge support for any manager. It's very much possible that we spend the Lukaku money on a midfielder or forward of some kind (much like the Dybala swap would have been), so the spend could be around the same. If we do sign a player for well in excess of £40m then Ole has actually been supported by an initial outlay of more than Mourinho or Van Gaal received. I find it hard to see this as not being massively supported in a transfer window, especially for someone with Ole's record (or lack thereof).
If we were a team that consistently had a net spend of £150m+ maybe it could be a different story, but as it stands, he's been given enough for the board to say "finish 4th".
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The goals conceded also depends on the protection that the midfield gives and the attacking threat we possess.
You could drive a cart and horse through our DM so Maguire is going to get plenty of work to do.
If we get two more players then it has been recognised and he has been supported.Forget about what will happen by the end of the window. Yes if we get extra players then the story is different. Lets talk as it stands right now. Ole took over a club in free fall. Players that downed tools twice. Cant be arsed half the time. Finished sixth. Glaring holes all over the place. No consistent striker. Midfield a shambles. Right wing a joke. Best player Pogba wants out. I am 100 percent sure if you dragged Ole in a room behind closed doors or ask any football person what would it take to get that team to guaranteed 4th then they would say a lot more than a CB and a RB and a young up and coming winger from the championship. And the ridiculous thing is that our standards have been set so low we are targeting fourth! Fourth! Should I say it again fourth! Its like fourth is the new first.
Yes its possible we will make it. Who knows its football. Leicester won the league. But fourth is our first. It will take so many factors and good luck to get there. Thats not supporting the manager. Thats doing bare minimum and asking for a miracle.
Forget about what will happen by the end of the window. Yes if we get extra players then the story is different. Lets talk as it stands right now. Ole took over a club in free fall. Players that downed tools twice. Cant be arsed half the time. Finished sixth. Glaring holes all over the place. No consistent striker. Midfield a shambles. Right wing a joke. Best player Pogba wants out. I am 100 percent sure if you dragged Ole in a room behind closed doors or ask any football person what would it take to get that team to guaranteed 4th then they would say a lot more than a CB and a RB and a young up and coming winger from the championship. And the ridiculous thing is that our standards have been set so low we are targeting fourth! Fourth! Should I say it again fourth! Its like fourth is the new first.
Yes its possible we will make it. Who knows its football. Leicester won the league. But fourth is our first. It will take so many factors and good luck to get there. Thats not supporting the manager. Thats doing bare minimum and asking for a miracle.
This is my thought as well. We've seen Pepe go to Arsenal for in excess of £70m. If we want a right sided forward/winger then we are probably going to be paying in excess of this amount as well. I don't see a massive amount of players available for this position and while we technically could fill it with the sale of Lukaku this season, I don't think we will do that. My expectation is that we try very hard to go all-in on Sancho next summer, but obviously it is a big ask to pull off such a deal. You have to think we're capable assuming we look stronger after a full season under Ole and are in the Champion's League. I'd hope that after two years of Ole, we have our RB, CB, CM, and RW positions finally looking powerful and are just a better team than the last few years in general.In the mix for a top 4 spot and going deep in the Europa League. I'm happy with the players we've brought in, but there are still holes in the squad that need filling. Unfortunately, when you have to pay upto £80m for players, there are only so many holes you can fill in one window.
Our hopes rely on some talented young players, who are more than capable on their day, finally being able to produce the goods consistently over the course of a season.
PL Winner: Man utd
2nd: ManCity
3rd: Liverpool
4th: Chelsea
5th: Arsenal
6th: Spurs
7th: Everton
CL winner: Liverpool
FA Cup winner: Chelsea
League Cup winner: Arsenal
PL top scorer: Salah or Kane
Relegated: Brighton, Norwich, Sheff Utd
1. Man City - Still the team to beat, and my tip to win the Champions League as well. They've got mega rich owners, a top manager and players to boot. Unstoppable.
2. Liverpool - The only team capable of challenging City for the title, getting 96 points and still not winning the title is incredible. Have loads of firepower and a good defense and midfield as well.
3. Tottenham - Same as the last few years, just not quite consistent enough to win PL. But, unfortunately, they are better than we are ATM. Like Liverpool, have plenty of goals in them, but not as good in defense or midfield.
4. Chelsea - Hazard will be impossible to replace, Pulisic and the young player (whichever ones Frank gives an opportunity to) step up to the plate.
5. Man United - Just a bunch of individuals rather than a team. Pogba is a joke, Wan Bissaka isn't what he is cracked up to be and Harry Maguire is just a fat version of Rio Ferdinand. The manager isn't great either.
6. Arsenal - Like Man United, just a bunch of individuals either than a team. The keeper isn't particularly great, the midfield is unbalanced and their defense is a disaster waiting to happen. Their forwards are good though, but they can't keep carrying the team.
7. Everton - Will have their ups and downs, but with the right signings and a bit more consistency can be the best of the rest outside the top six.
8. Wolves - Neat and tidy side, but lack a bit of firepower at times, and being in the Europa league might hinder rather than help their chances of improving on last years' fine effort
9. C Palace - Depends whether they can keep Zaha, but with Roy Hodgson at the helm, they are in safe hands.
10. Leicester - Not sure what to make of them. The one worry for them is Jamie Vardy isn't getting any younger, and not exactly watertight at the back either. Lots of creativity in the team though.
11. West Ham - Same old, same old. Arnoutovic is no great loss though, he's more trouble than he's worth Should have no problems about a relegation battle.
12. Watford - Form faded badly at the end of lat season, and that cup final hammering by Man City will still be fresh in the mind. Mind you, they're manger Javi Gracia is a shrewd operator and will keep them afloat for another season at least. Only worry is Troy Deeney is the wrong side of 30, how many more seasons will they get out of him?
13. Bournemouth - Full of goals in attack, but also full of holes at the back. For me, it's the former category that will be the reason they survive once again, they play good football unlike several other teams I could mention.
14. Norwich - For me, the best equipped of the promoted teams to survive. Play fearless attacking football, if Teemu Pukki can score 15 goals or more, they'll be fine. A bit leaky at the back though.
15. Southampton - Ralph Hassenhutl did well to keep them up last season, he made them better organized at the back but they struggled to score goals. Danny Ings was too injury prone, Shane Long is a willing worker but not a good finisher, and Charlie Austin has been a huge flop thus far. They will be hoping Che Adams can remedy the chronic lack of goals,
16. Burnley - Would love it if they went down, horrible team and manager to boot. But will probably stay up again, with their cynical tactics. Lack of goals again could be the problem, Ashley Barnes and Chris Wood don't score too many goals.
17. Newcastle - The fat one has gone, but the other fat one (Mike Ashley) is still there, so that means more doom and gloom for the Geordie faithful. Whatever you think of Steve Bruce, he's in a lose-lose situation. Both strikers Rondon and Perez have gone, and be given buttons and beads as cash to replace them. The only reason I feel they'll survive is there are 3 worse teams than them.
18. Brighton - The decision to sack Chris Hughton will come back to bite them on the backside. OK, they slid down the table towards the end of last season, but Graham Potter as Hughton's replacement? What did he do at Swansea that was so great I ask? If you gave me a choice between Hughton or Potter to manage my team, I would pick Hughton every time. Glen Murray can't go on forever, and there is a lack of creativity in the team as well. They're going down.
19. Aston Villa - A welcome return to the PL, but Jack Grealish apart, none of their players are top flight standard. A long, hard season beckons., and it will end in relegation.
20. Sheff Utd - Chris Wilder has worked miracles there, and he'll have to work another one if the Blades are to survive in the ruthless world of the Premiership. Unfortunately, I think they will come up well short.
Predictions:
EPL: Man City
Europa League: ?
FA Cup:Chelsea
Carabao Cup: Tottenham
League 1: Sunderland
League 2 Plymouth