Sir A1ex
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So you see him signing for Lazio or Benfica soon?Just another Morrison / taarabt etc.
So you see him signing for Lazio or Benfica soon?Just another Morrison / taarabt etc.
I've never thought so. Never understood the hype that surrounded him.Is he actually all that talented though?
He is decent on the ball and has shown some good vision...and obviously knows where the goal is especially from distance.I've never thought so. Never understood the hype that surrounded him.
brilliant, glad to see we are sticking too our guns.Was just about to type 'All the talent without actually having all the talent' but then went to the top of the page and realised we've had that exact discussion earlier.
Yet chelsea have won their first title in 5 years and city have been unable to retain the title. It isn't so simple as you would like it to be.You want to know why Chelsea and City have been hoovering up all the trophies in the last 5 years it's because they were buying Hazard and Aguero whilst we were buying Dave Corsa and Phil Jones and Nick Powell
There's no point in pontificating over why he didn't "make it", it really is quite simple. If you want a top football team then you buy or develop top players.
As I'd like it to be?!Yet chelsea have won their first title in 5 years and city have been unable to retain the title. It isn't so simple as you would like it to be.
You said they have been hoovering up trophies, no they haven't. When hazard arrived, they won nothing that season and nothing the season after. City won the fa cup then the league then they won nothing then they won the league and then they won nothing. Not quite hoovering it up is it?As I'd like it to be?!
I don't recall saying I liked Chelsea and City winning trophies
Compared to our last two seasons, it is.You said they have been hoovering up trophies, no they haven't. When hazard arrived, they won nothing that season and nothing the season after. City won the fa cup then the league then they won nothing then they won the league and then they won nothing. Not quite hoovering it up is it?
In moyes' season chelsea won feck all. How is that hoovering up trophies? Don't forget they fecked up their title race (like we did) and finished third behind a liverpool side that should not have been there in the first place. Get over yourself, buying stars does not guarantee success, we bought Di Maria and Falcao and they haven't set the world alight.Compared to our last two seasons, it is.
"Get over yourself"In moyes' season chelsea won feck all. How is that hoovering up trophies? Don't forget they fecked up their title race (like we did) and finished third behind a liverpool side that should not have been there in the first place. Get over yourself, buying stars does not guarantee success, we bought Di Maria and Falcao and they haven't set the world alight.
Jones is one of the most talented CB of his generation before he comes to us.You have to accept that there're young players whose development wouldn't go as expected.You want to know why Chelsea and City have been hoovering up all the trophies in the last 5 years it's because they were buying Hazard and Aguero whilst we were buying Dave Corsa and Phil Jones and Nick Powell
There's no point in pontificating over why he didn't "make it", it really is quite simple. If you want a top football team then you buy or develop top players.
Oberton, Bebe, Powell, Tosic, Vermijl, Veseli, Buttner, Henriquez, Varela, Janko....Jones is one of the most talented CB of his generation before he comes to us.You have to accept that there're young players whose development wouldn't go as expected.
Nick Powell signing has nothing to do with the likes of Hazard and Aguero.Every team has those kinds of signing totally unproven young players on cheap and hope to develop them to the level required.Chelsea even has more than us, just have to look at those 20 odd players that going out on loan every year.
Agree with the likes of Obertan,Bebe,Buttner and Tosic.Vermijl and Veseli were effectively signings to make up number for the Reserves so it's unrelated.Henriquez and Janko are belong to "the signings on cheap at 17-18 with the hope to develop them" type as I've stated.Oberton, Bebe, Powell, Tosic, Vermijl, Veseli, Buttner, Henriquez, Varela, Janko....
That is a lot of dross though for a club like United, especially with the reputation we have when it comes to scouting, identifying prospects and developing them into world class players.
I mean, Oberton's manager was shocked we even signed him and couldn't understand why we did
Fair point, well madeAgree with the likes of Obertan,Bebe,Buttner and Tosic.Vermijl and Veseli were effectively signings to make up number for the Reserves so it's unrelated.Henriquez and Janko are belong to "the signings on cheap at 17-18 with the hope to develop them" type as I've stated.
Chelsea has the likes of Moses,Atsu,Oriol Romeu,Lucas Piazon,Cuevas,Davila,etc,.... who are effectively similar to those names you've mentioned.
I totally agree that we have to step it up though.Chelsea's policy of hoovering up a lot of players are hardly the best strategy.Fair point, well made
Exactly- we shouldn't be afraid of taking punts on talented youngsters.He was 17 years of age when he became top scorer for Crewe, albeit in League 2. Signed for us, having barely turned 18. Cost a few million, nothing crazy. It was a good gamble. Gambles don't always work out.
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Think it has been clear that he didn't have the mental aspect of his game to be a top player. A lot of people have mentioned that he is 'too' laid back, which could be seen as arrogance \ lazy perhaps?Ouch that looks like a nasty one that! Sadly another talent that doesn't look like he's going to make it at united.
He never really got a chance but I guess there must have been reason for that. And in his 27 weeks of recovery he's seen the club finally address their midfield issue. I bet that was a bit of a kick in the teeth!
On the few occasions I did see him play for us he did have this confidence about him as if he knew he belonged at the club. But I took that as a good thing... That's what you want really. Arrogance isn't a bad thing but yes laziness is. Also I think maybe in part it's the wrong appearance for a CM? As a number 10 or striker in some cases you can be laid back and arrogant but in CM you expect more urgency perhaps?Think it has been clear that he didn't have the mental aspect of his game to be a top player. A lot of people have mentioned that he is 'too' laid back, which could be seen as arrogance \ lazy perhaps?
Is he in the last year of his contract?He's still at the club then. Probably due to Injury but do wonder if there's a chance of him getting another chance with the 1st team squad ?
Don't think so. In fact, he'll do well to get into a first team squad at any Premier League club.He's still at the club then. Probably due to Injury but do wonder if there's a chance of him getting another chance with the 1st team squad ?
He wasn't/isn't very talented. He had a good hard shot and that's about it. Same as Balotelli, but wont even be near that good.It might be a hard road back for Powell. The pic of his injury looked bad. But can he make it? Why not. He was always very talented. Maybe he was a bit lazy or going off track a bit. Some of his loans didn't seem to have been all that successful. Maybe the time out will he helped with maturity or given him a new perspective if that was what was missing? There was a time in the u21s when you'd have given him a chance at making it to the first team. I just wouldn't write him off out of hand when nobody can have a clue really.
Well Lampard also had a good hard shot. Plus Powell has good ability to run at people and carry the ball from deep too.He wasn't/isn't very talented. He had a good hard shot and that's about it. Same as Balotelli, but wont even be near that good.
Tbf, only his loan to Leicester was unsuccessful. Before that he did quite well at Wigan.It might be a hard road back for Powell. The pic of his injury looked bad. But can he make it? Why not. He was always very talented. Maybe he was a bit lazy or going off track a bit. Some of his loans didn't seem to have been all that successful. Maybe the time out will he helped with maturity or given him a new perspective if that was what was missing? There was a time in the u21s when you'd have given him a chance at making it to the first team. I just wouldn't write him off out of hand when nobody can have a clue really.
He had technical ability and played with a different style than most English players. The talent and potential was there, so it was a good punt. I'm not sure how the injuries have affected him but it'd be nice if he put his head down and worked hard for a chance.He wasn't/isn't very talented. He had a good hard shot and that's about it. Same as Balotelli, but wont even be near that good.