The Neviller
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Yes what?yes.
Yes what?yes.
yes I believe that.Yes what?
aye...theyre examples of constant agitation on both sides.Must be ok to wear masks and throw petrol bombs when it's a cause you believe in then. Don't kid yourself that those out in the Ardoyne are anything other than a rabble. Much like the rabble out now.
That all nationalists are masked murderers?yes I believe that.
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Some people can't distinguish between Unionist Politicians and Unionist people. Although the Unionist Parties represent the majority of the Unionist people it doesn't mean they share the same traits. Politicians on the whole are the scum of society and bring out the worst in a community. Yes I agree with the sentiment that Unionist Politicians long standing love for Democracy does seem to be diminished every time a major democratic decision goes against them and they will then wager their influence and power over the Unionist people to do what ever is required, illegal and undemocratic if necessary to either;
- change what has happened like the Ulster Workers Council Strike which brought down Sunnngdale.
- Promote violence to change what happened like at the Drumcree Standoff
- Promote activism and allow for this sort of violence to do nothing more than make a point like what is happening now.
It's the Unionist Leadership that causes these problems. They know that they will always have a band of merry men who hate Dublin and Rome enough to do what's needed when their masters decree what's to be done. Thankfully this bunch of idiots is getting smaller all the time, and it's eventually going to be extinct. I think a much larger portion of young Unionists now have an ideology more akin to what TN has.
To my best reckoning, he's a Unionist who has loyalty to the British Crown. He's not a hardliner and he's not a Catholic hater, but he's willing to defend Unionist ideals in a discussion. I think more and more people are being brought up with this more tolerant viewpoint and they are beginning to outnumber the little scrotes who carry out the rioting and hold the hateful attitudes.
I could be wrong though.
Spot on Irwin. It seems people often think to have Unionist beliefs you have to hate catholics among other things. Personally speaking that couldn't be further from the truth. How you've described me is pretty much bang on the money.Some people can't distinguish between Unionist Politicians and Unionist people. Although the Unionist Parties represent the majority of the Unionist people it doesn't mean they share the same traits. Politicians on the whole are the scum of society and bring out the worst in a community. Yes I agree with the sentiment that Unionist Politicians long standing love for Democracy does seem to be diminished every time a major democratic decision goes against them and they will then wager their influence and power over the Unionist people to do what ever is required, illegal and undemocratic if necessary to either;
- change what has happened like the Ulster Workers Council Strike which brought down Sunnngdale.
- Promote violence to change what happened like at the Drumcree Standoff
- Promote activism and allow for this sort of violence to do nothing more than make a point like what is happening now.
It's the Unionist Leadership that causes these problems. They know that they will always have a band of merry men who hate Dublin and Rome enough to do what's needed when their masters decree what's to be done. Thankfully this bunch of idiots is getting smaller all the time, and it's eventually going to be extinct. I think a much larger portion of young Unionists now have an ideology more akin to what TN has.
To my best reckoning, he's a Unionist who has loyalty to the British Crown. He's not a hardliner and he's not a Catholic hater, but he's willing to defend Unionist ideals in a discussion. I think more and more people are being brought up with this more tolerant viewpoint and they are beginning to outnumber the little scrotes who carry out the rioting and hold the hateful attitudes.
I could be wrong though.
You could be right, but they don't follow them in the numbers that used to, and the ones that do really are sheep.Id like to think youre right Irwin...however your notion that the unionist people just follow their politicans as some kind of blind sheep into each of these situations is a little demeaning and dare I say revisionist.
Pulling down the flag from city hall is one thing...theres other issues that will raise their heads over the coming years and we'll see if that more tolerant youth will follow suit then.
yes...if you want.That all nationalists are masked murderers?
and yet the extremists on both sides hold the majority of the vote.....its a mutual dance...unfortunately at some point a climax has to be reached and we'll see who really wants peace and under what circumstances.You could be right, but they don't follow them in the numbers that used to, and the ones that do really are sheep.
My viewpoint won't change, and I'd wager there are plenty of others like me.Id like to think youre right Irwin...however your notion that the unionist people just follow their politicans as some kind of blind sheep into each of these situations is a little demeaning and dare I say revisionist.
Pulling down the flag from city hall is one thing...theres other issues that will raise their heads over the coming years and we'll see if that more tolerant youth will follow suit then.
That isn't what i said. I said not all unionist people are out in the streets rioting and that you can't tar us all with the same brush, just as not all nationalists are terrorists. My point being that there are more to people than the worst case scenario of those who represent them. It would be wrong of me to view nationalists/Republicans as terrorists, just as it's wrong to think all unionists agree with the reaction to this vote. Plenty of unionists see the vote for what it is, a democratic vote by elected representatives. I don't have to agree with the vote to accept it.yes...if you want.
If the logical step you take to thinking rejecting a democratic process is the equivalent to that..then Im willing to play along with you...if you had said that nationalists would do the same and have done so, id have agreed wholeheartedly. But true colours are shown sometimes eh.
Raised in West Tyrone but living in Sligo for years.where are you located Irwin?
I don't really know, is the honest answer. Surprising as it may seem it isn't really something I've discussed too many times, if at all.TN, serious question:
I wonder if you'll have to make the decision to leave, or accept a united Ireland, in your lifetime.
I wonder how many other unionists feel that they'd leave.
And where would you/they go to?
and yeah, I know you can't speak for the entire unionist community but you might have some idea of the depth of feeling on that issue, from your friends and neighbours.
I don't believe that to be true. Most don't have the stomach for it any more and a lot of the youth don't really give a shit.It's my belief that if it happens that a majority of NI vote in a referendum for a United Ireland there will be civil war on a scale this island has never seen.
(unless it's way distant in the future and attitudes have changed totally.)
Hope your right P. Problem is, look at the reaction when a flag has been taken down. Look at the reaction when certain contentious parades are blocked. Look at the reaction with that crap with the kids walking to school a few years ago.I don't believe that to be true. Most don't have the stomach for it any more and a lot of the youth don't really give a shit.
Right now it doesn't make economic sense Badunk, but a huge majority of Catholics/Nationalists would still vote for the United Ireland if it came down to it on purely historic and idealogical grounds. I know all of my family, friends, childhood friends, and people I know from home would. Then again I was raised in a Nationalist Heartland.Most people in the north want to stay in the Union. Economically, I wouldn't vote for a United Ireland.
I like Scrumpet's mate's idea about having a pirate flag flying over City Hall. fecking crooks the lot of them.
Yesterday it wasn't even a particularly bad reaction, in terms of ones we've had before. There wasn't that many out on the street rioting. I was mainly disputing your point about it being the worst civil war we've seen, I don't think it would come close tbh.Hope your right P. Problem is, look at the reaction when a flag has been taken down. Look at the reaction when certain contentious parades are blocked. Look at the reaction with that crap with the kids walking to school a few years ago.
If you believe that the people who had these reactions would just chill there way through Ireland becoming United then you have more faith in people than me. Can you imagine the scenes at a contentious parade if it was the Guards telling the apprentice boys or the Orange Order they can't walk down a road?
By the way, the only reason I'm picking out Unionist reactions and over reactions is because the question is what would a Unionist reaction to a United Ireland.
FFS, is a man not even allowed to completely exaggerate when it comes to NI politics/terrorism/civil war any more??Yesterday it wasn't even a particularly bad reaction, in terms of ones we've had before. There wasn't that many out on the street rioting. I was mainly disputing your point about it being the worst civil war we've seen, I don't think it would come close tbh.
What gives you that impression?FFS, is a man not even allowed to completely exaggerate when it comes to NI politics/terrorism/civil war any more??
FWIW, I do feel there would be a very bad civil war, I feel that the Loyalist's could actually organise themselves for the first time ever and their ranks would swell enormously (given they were never very well supported in the past). Would they prove a bigger threat than the IRA? Long terms definitely not, but in the short term they would cause huge problems.
The fact that they will have a single united cause, more so than ever before.What gives you that impression?
All taigs should bugger off to the Republic and all Prods should go to Scotland. That will leave just the Polish who, to be honest, will probably make a good fist of it.
From IrishCelt93IrishCelt93 said:Im in the newbies so cant post but I saw it too and it was hilarious, 1:50 in on this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-eSmCZA9xg&list=UL
lol...It's not as if taking up arms would change anything.lolz
No. I was being entirely serious too.I thought the wink smilie and the white text lolz might have been a giveaway.lol...
you are aware of where you live and how it came to be arent you?
MLA's must be up for a raise or christmas bonusI guess the one bright spot in all of this is that NI politicians actually compromised on something.
Whether you agree with what they were compromising on or not is beside the point.
Surely that compromise is progress in itself?
ffs where is Claire Redfield and her trusty zombie gun when you need her?Here is a video of the trouble yesterday, mainly so everyone can have a laugh at the woman from about 1.35 for 30 seconds.
From IrishCelt93