Olympiakos vs. Manchester United
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I say we just dump half the team off the team bus in the summer, and start again.
Truly woeful performance. I was going to go over there but I'm glad I stayed at home now. Feel sorry for my mates who had to witness that in the stadium. Got a text from one saying the Greeks cannot believe how poor we are and were actually gutted that we was shit.
Where to start?
Defence :- Smalling is not a right back. He was a disgrace last night. Ferdinand is finished. It reminded me of Gary Nev's West Brom performance. Vidic looks slow but is still our best CB. Evra is always out of position but he was slightly better than most last night.
Midfield :- Young - just feck off. Useless. Valencia - just feck off. Useless. Cleverley - the most pointless player to have played for United in the last 20 years. A passenger. Carrick - very, very sloppy last night and he's having a very poor season.
Rooney & RVP - they just don't work together at times. Last night was as bad as it gets for them
After Saturday's performance v Palace, the signs were there that we could actually play a bit of football. So why does he bring Young & Valencia back? The only changes should have been Rafael at RB, Smalling at CB with Vidic and Kagawa in for Mata.
Where to start?
Defence :- Smalling is not a right back. He was a disgrace last night. Ferdinand is finished. It reminded me of Gary Nev's West Brom performance. Vidic looks slow but is still our best CB. Evra is always out of position but he was slightly better than most last night.
Midfield :- Young - just feck off. Useless. Valencia - just feck off. Useless. Cleverley - the most pointless player to have played for United in the last 20 years. A passenger. Carrick - very, very sloppy last night and he's having a very poor season.
Rooney & RVP - they just don't work together at times. Last night was as bad as it gets for them
After Saturday's performance v Palace, the signs were there that we could actually play a bit of football. So why does he bring Young & Valencia back? The only changes should have been Rafael at RB, Smalling at CB with Vidic and Kagawa in for Mata.
After having seen Barcelona face Rubin Kazan a few times, I often wondered had Chori Dominguez skipped going to Russia and played in Europe how big a talent he'd be now. I thought he was fantastic once again
Heavy scoreline, 1-0 or 1-1 would've probably been the more reflective scoreline
Heavy scoreline, 1-0 or 1-1 would've probably been the more reflective scoreline
No way did we deserve to draw that match ? The performance was terrible, the number of shots and chances created tell you that.
Must admit games like this get the Cafe ticking along nicely, 
I just meant that had RVP's pretty good chance gone in, that's a goal right there. And while Chori's goal was a beauty, that's a tough one to duplicate. Have to say United were a bit unfortunate in that one. Campbell's bit of skill however, was a thing of beauty
We probably would have found a way to feck it up had RVP even scored. I'd be gutted if we played well, created chances but couldn't score but now I feel nothing. I'm frustrated at the situation but that's it, the result is what we deserve.
What are you on about, he has hardly had a good run of games to show his talents to come to that opinion. Being thrown in for a game or two and then being judged on that is silly.EverywhereHe's been off the boil since he came from Dortmund.
I have to agree man. We've so much deadwood its a feckin joke. The players dont seem to play for Moyes - thats the way it looks anyway. Maybe its because he's in their face all the time. He's so hands on in training - the opposite of how Fergie operated. And the training could be utter shite also - ol'skool running around for 2 hours, then a kick-about for half an hour. feck knows what goes on, but its not feckin workin thats for sure bro.
How we've held onto Rooney is beyond belief - regardless of the wages. Moyes would be sacked at any of the other top clubs in Europe. I just cant see the yellow brick road anymore with him at the helm. Its painful watchin us these days. The manner of the play is ugly & lethargic to say the least. My heads don in with it all. Old women are makin jokes about how shit we are ffs!
Sooner rather than later please!
Kagawa has talked a good game to the Japanese media & yet when he's in the team has done feck all man - bar his Norwich hattrick. He seems to be only able to play in the hole (Rooney's position), thats pretty piss-poor. Good attackin players should be able to exceed anywhere in the forward line. In sayin that, why the feck isnt he in the team in place of "Clevz" - surely he could do a much better job than that waste of space excuse of a "footballer".
A 4-3-3 formation should have been employed last nite. Carrick, Kagawa, Fellaini in CM & Adnan/Welbeck, Rooney & RVP last third - with Rooney drifting in & out from CM. Thats a top-class spread on paper i think & would have done a helluva lot more damage than that useless shite we had to endure.
I think i speak for many of ya's by sayin - my heads done in watching this piss-poor style of football. A good friend of mine - die-hard Toffee, said he'd never go back to Goodison aslong as Moyes was in charge. He hated him like nothing else. "Worst brand of football i've ever seen..." he said. I thought he was being over the top, not any more though - he was spot on. Its a focus on not losing the game, as opposed to winning the game at all costs - the United way.
Like Fergie always said - he'd rather we lose a game 2/3 nil after being 1nil down & time running out, than not giving it a lash & tryin to win the feckin game. A loss is a loss - so do your best to win the game. All or nothing!
Nothing..jagielka was trying to warn us - seems the balls never come out until it's time for a shower nowadays at Carrington!
Kagawa was among our best players in each of the last 2 or 3 games he's played for us, but since then he's been dropped and hasn't been seen, until yesterday, where again, he was our best player in those last 10-15 mins. Moyes has never given him a fair chance to show what he can do despite being having more talent in his little toe then Valencia or Young possess.
Edit: Sorry didn't realize this was from before the game
Well that's just not true. Iniesta was tried out on the wing plenty of times and never looked that special, so he was moved back inside. How does Rooney perform out on the wing? 1 good game in 10? Why is RVP only ever up front? Why is Welbeck completely useless on the wing? Not sure why people treat Kagawa so harshly when he plays out of position, because he does a better job of it, despite still being simply decent, compared to all of our other players when they are out of position. People have their main position, and when they play there, they show what they are capable of. There are some players who are very versatile and can play anywhere, and even Kagawa can excel from the wing in the right system. Of course Shinji will struggle in Moyes' system. Most of our players struggle in it.
I would have been our best player in the last 10-15 minutes last night and I've not played in 2 years and that was on the beach with a fly away
I thought pre match we had enough to keep it tight and sneak an away goal, after 15 minutes it was apparent that those players were getting nothing, well done on Moyes for taking 60 odd fecking minutes to actually realize it. IU can see why he didn't start Kagawa last night as he hasn't played in a month but I do agree and wonder why he hasn't had a bit more game time, he's not set the World alight but ffs who has.
Yeah, like people argue against Kagawa starting saying he's not been special, but in the mean time we see Valencia playing more minutes then anyone bar Evra. Young at least has good games now and then, and gets the ball into the box, even if he's pretty boring to watch and just terrible at times, but Valencia for the past 2 years has been nothing but an advanced fullback, yet he keeps getting picked.I would have been our best player in the last 10-15 minutes last night and I've not played in 2 years and that was on the beach with a fly away
I thought pre match we had enough to keep it tight and sneak an away goal, after 15 minutes it was apparent that those players were getting nothing, well done on Moyes for taking 60 odd fecking minutes to actually realize it. IU can see why he didn't start Kagawa last night as he hasn't played in a month but I do agree and wonder why he hasn't had a bit more game time, he's not set the World alight but ffs who has.
IMO, nobody has done enough to actually stay in the team, so logically you'd think you'd give somebody a run of games after 1 good performances, or just simply give a run to your best and most talented players. Not the case with good old moyesey though.
It's gonna take some time for someone to muster the enthusiasm to create a match thread for WBA!
Someone create the West Brom match day thread!
It's too far away, and most will approach it with disinterest now at this stage.
But I need to try and get my mind of that stupid Olympiakos game!It's too far away, and most will approach it with disinterest now at this stage.
So is that us out then? Is anyone confident that we'll score more than 3 at home without conceding? I can't see it, if I'm honest as I can definitely see Olympiacos scoring, meaning we'll need 4!
We can but we won't.
All those jokes about losing to Olympiacos... At least, I thought they were jokes.It's funny. OT is where we've been knocked out in both domestic cup competitions, and our league form at OT is horrendous. All things point to us going out of the CL at OT... On away goals too, just to rub it in further. Luck's just not on our side this season at all.
Luck ain't got nothing to do with our performances this season.
We can turn this round at OT. If the players want it, they can definitely win by 3 or 4
If we got rid of Moyes before the game and put Giggs or someone else in as caretaker I could see us doing it, the atmosphere would be electric.
It certainly would give us a better chance. Removing the Moyes cloud hanging over everyone would give the players and fans a big boost.
Are only chance really, I just know that with Moyes in charge we'll get knocked out. Another Moyes record.
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