and it's the only one he's made from what everyone has said... pretty likely to be in quite a few pundits' team of the season
Onana has not worked out. We need a new keeper.
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Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
It was a discussion about why comparing ddg when he joined with Onana when he joined is a nonsense. That video shows some absolute howlers from earlier in his career...problem is he hasn't tightened up that side of his game significantly whereas ddg grew into the role. Onana should be in his prime ATM...comparing him to a 20 year old goalkeeper that's just left his home country to live somewhere else for the first time is silly.
Last I checked the owners weren't kicking balls around the pitch.
What? It was worse ffs.
Strange response to the original question?
DDG's last 3 or 4seasons were worse
I already responded to the original question. If it's obvious that a player or manager isn't good enough, then get rid of them. Why on earth would you give them multiple seasons?
Another poster provided the example of Taibi. If it were up to you we'd be seeing his sweatpants for three seasons. Thankfully the manager recognised the issue and dealt with it.
DDG never came off his line, rarely saved a pen and was shocking at one on ones. DDG retained his superhero power of shot stopping and unfortunately Onana doesnt have one. That said, lets not have amnesia about DDG but thats not the point.
Im not saying hes the answer, just saying its a bit early to say he isnt. Also bar a couple of questionable shots he could have done better with, the second half was better than the first.
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And ironically the same manager some fans didnt have patience with either. If fans had their way, he'd have been not here to sack Taibi in the first place...
Comparing Onana to SAF isn't very sensible.
I wasnt and you know that. Its about being patient especially when a player arrives at a club in turmoil
I've seen enough of him to realise that he's not good enough. I don't need to see another season of it. We can agree to disagree.
...thats exactly what you are going to do...see another season.
That will totally depend on who the manager is. Hopefully it's not the current one.
At Onana's age, DDG was one of the best in the world. What are you even arguing?
He was one of if not the best shot stopper in the world at one time but he was never at any point one of the best all round goalkeepers in the world as he struggled with most of the basics of modern goalkeeping.
Like stopping the ball going into the goal? Something Onana REALLY struggles with.
Neither has Onana, to be fair
I'd kind of like my goalie to be a top shot stopper, Onana, please take note.
At onana's age , Dave had been dropped by Spain and his prime was behind him .
That's why age is a silly reference point in this instance . Lots of keepers hit their 'peak' after 28 , especially ours in the good times . Dave was the exact opposite .
Onana is not as big a problem as is being made out . His prem stats are good enough for a guy in his first season behind the most threadbare defence in the memory of man .
Onana does not struggle with it hence the fact he has made more saves than any other keeper in the league this season bar Lutons keeper.
Shot stopping is the only part of modern goalkeeping DDG was any good at and he even struggled with that at times like the FA Cup semi final against Chelsea and the Champions League group game against Leipzig when his mistakes gifted them 3 goals and got us knocked out.
Absolute nonsense. Regardless of how important we believe keepers playing with the ball at their feet now is, it just wasn't as important when DDG was in his heyday. You're trying to rewrite history because you are a gigantic Onana fan.
Onana clearly struggles with it, hence the blunders he's committed over and over throughout his career.
Shot stopping is the primary job of a goalkeeper. There's a clue in the title.
Its not nonsence though is it? He couldnt kick, couldnt throw, couldnt pass, couldnt come out to collect crosses or corners, couldnt save penaties, and his positioning was awful at times.
Yet he was commonly agreed to be among the best in the world. Weird that. Or maybe you're just very biased.
I like the fact that the only thing that makes Onana look good is comparisons with DDG.
Maybe someone would have taken you seriously if not for the second paragraph.
Here you talk about basics again, and blubber a load of crap about how Onana does the basics, while the guy can't position himself properly half of the time, can't clean save shots half of the time, whenever he needs to save a low shot falls like a bag of concrete and yeah does not deal with crosses as well. You again hide you agenda behind stats, "two or three times more likely to deal with crosses" how about last weekend? If it was DDG you'd probably hold that Arsenal goal against the GK for not collecting the cross in the small box. And made some shocking errors this year, same as DDG last year?
This last thing about the errors is ridiculous even by your own standards.
But last May you claimed it would be so easy to replace someone as bad as DDG, what happened? Why is our 50m GK being doubted by so many?
I am not at all convinced by Onana and I don't see any prospect of him improving significantly. However, I'd be surprised if we replaced him given how many outfield players we need to replace.
Yeah like 10 years ago and nobody thought that way for at least 5 years.
He was absolutely still in the conversation for many at Onana's age. From memory he hadn't even been to the Spanish world cup that broke him by this point in the year.
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You're a real oddball pal. If it was purely me with an "agenda" against De Gea, and everyone else still thought he was great, he wouldn't have spent the last 12 months without a club. There's even a direct comparison given that Onana was available to speak to clubs for nothing in January 2022, and he'd agreed terms and had a medical at another club by the fourth day of the fecking year, De Gea has been available to speak to clubs for nearly 18 months and he's still no closer to getting a club. You seem to have read my post and somehow taken that I've said he's had a good season when he quite clearly hasn't, but that does not make him any less of an overall improvement on what went before, despite not being a player I would have signed - as I said at the time IIRC. I can't really work out what you're laughing at either, are you trying to suggest De Gea didn't make shocking errors last year? Your 'hiding agenda behind stats' line is sensational by the way, and pretty much sums up the people who thought De Gea was a brilliant goalkeeper over the past two or three years.Maybe someone would have taken you seriously if not for the second paragraph.
Here you talk about basics again, and blubber a load of crap about how Onana does the basics, while the guy can't position himself properly half of the time, can't clean save shots half of the time, whenever he needs to save a low shot falls like a bag of concrete and yeah does not deal with crosses as well. You again hide you agenda behind stats, "two or three times more likely to deal with crosses" how about last weekend? If it was DDG you'd probably hold that Arsenal goal against the GK for not collecting the cross in the small box. And made some shocking errors this year, same as DDG last year?
This last thing about the errors is ridiculous even by your own standards.
But last May you claimed it would be so easy to replace someone as bad as DDG, what happened? Why is our 50m GK being doubted by so many?
Someone forgot to tell SAF about modern GK back in the day.
You wouldn't know improvement if it hit you in the forehead, pal. And while suggesting shocking errors why don't you try and list DDG's of last year and Onana's of this year, see how the count goes and then talk about improvement. Whether DDG is at another club or not means feck all to whether Onana has been any kind of improvement never mind a 50m one. And you were one of those who claimed that it was going to be so easy to improve on the DDG of last year, now all you have is delusion that DDG also made shocking errors. Well yes he did, Onana has made about 20 and you have the cheek to talk about improvement.
Regarding the stats, of you follow their pattern, all our players outperformed the system apparently, and we have a great squad, just a shitty manager, so try and mask Onana's shocking season behind xGa.
Not a great season, but a decent one. I'd still much rather have him than the De Gea of the last 5 years or so.
He's only gone and done an interview with Gary Neville of all people!
I can't post it . There's a video on YouTube called ' here's why United got rid of de gea ' it's his blooper collection from last year .
I recommend you go and watch it before somebody takes your bet , I don't want you out of pocket
Its unbelievable that there are some that think we should have stuck with this guy
I thought that was a good interview, he seems to have a top mentality.
How many goalkeepers finished above Onana in last season's World POTY?