starman
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The club knowing where the bombs are being placed in the first place is implied...Thats not what you said though.
The club knowing where the bombs are being placed in the first place is implied...Thats not what you said though.
I'm just shocked at the possibility of you being in charge of anyone to be honest.if i pay a third party to do something for me i sure as feck don't pay another of my own guys to then do half the work for them. do we then pay for a checker checker to check the first check to account for human error?
like i say, beat the club with what stick you like, god knows there are currently shit loads of them, i don't think this is one of them.
I'm sure there's a protocol in place; a checklist or something. Of course the club have somebody dealing with them. We're not going to have random people run around without some agreement on which areas they will have access to and what they will and will not do. It's not that the club would have given the firm complete freedom to do whatever they want.D
I think your missing my point.
Yes I can completely see why you would hire someone for their expertise. But this wasn't a training course in some empty warehouse, they were placing fake bombs around the stadium days before an event. You simply can't rely on a signed bit of paper, the worrying thing for me is, we obviously didn't request key information from this firm. If we can't agree on Utd sending someone round to check, surely you can see my point that at the very least we should have had a plan to where these guys were planting these fecking things.
IF we didn't have that information (and it appear we didn't) then in my opinion we are fecking idiots.
come and spend a weekend in one of my cages and see for yourself if you like.I'm just shocked at the possibility of you being in charge of anyone to be honest.
You're not selling it to me, is action guaranteed in one of your cages?come and spend a weekend in one of my cages and see for yourself if you like.
I would say take calculated measures. Obviously get everyone out is the first thingAnd they say well we counted them all in but it does look like one of ours. You saying the club/police then take the risk? Maybe but I think they'd do a controlled explosion anyway.
We made some mistakes prior obviously but the handling of it after was top notch.
True.I'm sure there's a protocol in place; a checklist or something. Of course the club have somebody dealing with them. We're not going to have random people run around without some agreement on which areas they will have access to and what they will and will not do. It's not that the club would have given the firm complete freedom to do whatever they want.
Not being able to count? That's basic stuff. You expect some amount of competence. If we take your line of reasoning, every manager in the world at every job should constantly monitor their employees; it would be a nightmare to get stuff done.
That for me is the key point. Did we know where these things were?I would say take calculated measures. Obviously get everyone out is the first thing
But, i mean for example, there are 13 bombs being placed. Let say they were all placed on the back of toilet doors. There are, i dont know, there 1000 toilet cubicles in OT.
The club should have known exactly where the bombs were being place e.g bomb 5 -cubicle 832 etc.
So come match day, the bomb found, lets say was bomb 5, surprise, surprise is located in cubicle 832. Now it could have been a real bomb and be a massive coincidence being in the same cubicle out of 1000 possbilities, but someone in OT must have come to that conclusion of a error.
Or maybe they did and the police took the action of total evacation and the controlled explosion anyway
Ok then Captain HindsightThe club knowing where the bombs are being placed in the first place is implied...
I would say there are two answers:That for me is the key point. Did we know where these things were?
The club is not to blame but our procedures for dealing with external companies like this probably could be better.
I mean, and this is getting quite outlandish and movie scenarioish, but what if someone from this company is a nutjob and actually wanted to plant a bomb in the stadium as part of this training exercise and they get it in and it stays there because we just take their word they've cleared everything up.
Supposedly, the sniifer dogs would have found it if it was a real bomb. According to the club, the sniffer dogs missed it because it had no explosive chemicalsNail on head.
In a world where terrorists trained to fly a commercial airliner, it's complete negligence to let a company in planting fake bombs with seemingly no supervision from the club, at very least someone should have known where these were.
Van Gaals fault.
Fergie used to check everything including toilets from top to bottom.
Just about sums it up. United dealt with it as they should have done and as we all would have wanted them to, whereas the security firm were too sloppy in their work.Greater Manchester Police and Crime Commissioner Tony Lloyd earlier said: "This fiasco caused massive inconvenience to supporters who had come from far and wide to watch the match, wasted the time of huge numbers of police officers and the Army's bomb squad, and unnecessarily put people in danger, as evacuating tens of thousands of people from a football stadium is not without risk.
"Whilst this in no way demeans the professionalism of the police and stewards responsible for getting the fans out, or the supporters' calmness and co-operation during the evacuation, it is unacceptable that it happened in the first place."
Err we're the only club that has to deal with London traffic?!You do know that being late for 2 games had ZERO to do with anything the club did right? I mean are we supposed to control London traffic, prevent other people from getting in accidents, then control where the cops direct the bus? Or are we supposed to control the West Ham fans? I mean come on, both those incidents were not caused by us.
I think the training was done for the benefit of the handlers and not the dogs, therefore no actual explosives were required for the exercise.Ps so they train the dogs with a device that isn't viable (hence couldn't be picked up with an actual dog search)? Am confused.
Ps so they train the dogs with a device that isn't viable (hence couldn't be picked up with an actual dog search)? Am confused.
Ah got it (I think)I think the training was done for the benefit of the handlers and not the dogs, therefore no actual explosives were required for the exercise.
You see where I'm coming from yeah?
Hmmm does the security company use duds to train dogs?
You see where I'm coming from yeah?
They were training the dog handlers. Do you actually read the news?Ps so they train the dogs with a device that isn't viable (hence couldn't be picked up with an actual dog search)? Am confused.
There was an accident and the cops directed the bus down a road where ther was a bridge the bus could not pass under. Ignorant amateur.Err we're the only club that has to deal with London traffic?!
Amateur
A terse big cnut, thank you. You have no idea what people do or what people know, best not to make assumptions.No need to be a terse little cnut.
I don't spend my free time on this sight so I will respond when I login. But if proving yourself right is an absolute must then have at it. Insecure much?You answer my reply of 16:40 at 04:20, almost 12 hours later, with the benefit of hindsight! My whole point was that, at the time I wrote it, there had been absolutely no official statement or comment from the club, the police or any other "official" network, even the SKY pundits had been evacuated to the car park of OT. So, as I said in my message I would rather wait for confirmation than react to a one-off report from any TV network (American or otherwise), or Twitter blogger, that a "suspicious package" had been found. Turns out it wasn't a "package" anyway so I was proved to be right.
"Have at it" !I don't spend my free time on this sight so I will respond when I login. But if proving yourself right is an absolute must then have at it. Insecure much?