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I see what he brings to the team, but too often it's all too apparent what he takes away by his presence. I'd prefer to see him as a squad member rather than a regular, truth be told.
Yeah, without him in the team we probably would have won three league titles, one CL, and a few other cups aswell over the past three seasons. Gawd I hate that guy..I see what he brings to the team, but too often it's all too apparent what he takes away by his presence. I'd prefer to see him as a squad member rather than a regular, truth be told.
To be fair, for a chunk of that time he's been a squad player and/or drop-able for certain games(CL Final being the prime eg). It's only been in the last season and a half or so that he's really been in there most weeks.Yeah, without him in the team we probably would have won three league titles, one CL, and a few other cups aswell over the past three seasons. Gawd I hate that guy..
Sad comment, he has proved himself to be a versatile, important squad player and one poor performance doesn't change that. I'd hate to think how "shit" you consider Anderson or Nani to be given their inconsistent form since they arrived.Defend him all you want but he is shite.
Supposed? - By whom? - What, three goals last season with Wigan, I should fecking hope not!Valencia was supposed to provide the firepower but he didn't.
ThisPark and O'Shea on one side brought no attacking threat all on the right. If Park plays, it really should be with one of the Da Silva's, or on the left with Evra.
Both in the CL final and yesterday, there were many players who were poor, does that make all those players not good enough to be in the team? It's the caf scapegoating time I see.He isn't good enough to be in our team the CL final proved that and now it's confirmed again today.
While I dont think it's one player's responsibility for losing matches, questions need to be asked if said player is being correctly rated and constantly picked by the gaffer. And to be fair, most of the other players who were poor, could be counted on to deliver the goods. Park's best performances are usually down to his work rate, which the same could have been said for Tevez, but Tevez has scored a few very important goals for us. The guy may not be worth 25m out of our coffers, but if he was available I think he would be a first teamer.Both in the CL final and yesterday, there were many players who were poor, does that make all those players not good enough to be in the team? It's the caf scapegoating time I see.
I don't think he's a top winger, but he's decent alright. He's a very good squad player who can come in and do a job in the big games as he's shown time and again. But I wouldn't consider him as a top winger whom I'd like to see start every game for us. The problem with most people is that they either expect him to be Ronaldo/world class or not good enough to play for us. There's no middle ground here, and in games where we play poorly, it's always easier to have a go at certain players.While I dont think it's one player's responsibility for losing matches, questions need to be asked if said player is being correctly rated and constantly picked by the gaffer. And to be fair, most of the other players who were poor, could be counted on to deliver the goods. Park's best performances are usually down to his work rate, which the same could have been said for Tevez, but Tevez has scored a few very important goals for us. The guy may not be worth 25m out of our coffers, but if he was available I think he would be a first teamer.
And let's use Plech's reality check for a moment. Here is a list of what i would consider decent to top wingers (or players who play out wide) in the league: Young, Robinho, Arshavin, Walcott, Nasri, Benayoun, Kuyt, SWP, Kalou, J.Cole, Lennon, Modric, Arteta, Malouda. I would find it hard to even put Park in there, much less rank him. Why is it then that, if he would struggle to enter any of the top 4 clubs, would he deserve to start for us? Answer: we have no better options
Park gets more opportunities in the team than Nani or Anderson. With the quality of the squad we have, Park shud be performing much better. For years we've been talking of his end product his crossing, his passing, but here we are still debating and hoping for improvement. He does offer something to the team defensively but his offensive game is poor. Not what we want to see at Utd especially when Ronny is gone.Sad comment, he has proved himself to be a versatile, important squad player and one poor performance doesn't change that. I'd hate to think how "shit" you consider Anderson or Nani to be given their inconsistent form since they arrived.
Hear Hear.He's a good player but you cannot expect to be brilliant.Some idiots are apparently discovering our players today.Wake the feck up
Was Park ever considered to be brilliantHear Hear.
Can't help but agree.I'm.Sorry,but.he's.so.average.it's.almost.embarrasing.
It's as if some expect him to turn into a more attacking playerWas Park ever considered to be brilliant
Playing him with Ronaldo on opposite wing makes sense . . .
Playing him with a traditional winger does not . . .
He's clearly a lot better than average. He's actually a good player and has proved this time and again for us.I'm.Sorry,but.he's.so.average.it's.almost.embarrasing.
You have to accept there are supporters who clearly do not rate players the same way as you do. It's natural, we all can't have the same opinion. The opinion on Park has always been split. Useful player to have when Ronaldo was around, but he'll be used a lot less this season because we need two wingers who add a bit more to our game than running around and tracking down players. Park adds very little creativity let alone goal threat and that's why some supporters don't want to see him on the pitch just as much as last season. We could cope with Ronaldo around, now we can't IMHO.He's clearly a lot better than average. He's actually a good player and has proved this time and again for us.
Unfortunately, he's been a good deal worse than average in the last two competitive games he's started. Because of the gold-fish memories of the average caftard this means he's shite and always has been. Ho hum.
If Nani had played as badly as Park did last night I would have said he had a shite game. If I've said that Park had anything other than a shite game last night, please go ahead and quote me.You have to accept there are supporters who clearly do not rate players the same way as you do. It's natural, we all can't have the same opinion. The opinion on Park has always been split. Useful player to have when Ronaldo was around, but he'll be used a lot less this season because we need two wingers who add a bit more to our game than running around and tracking down players. Park adds very little creativity let alone goal threat and that's why some supporters don't want to see him on the pitch just as much as last season. We could cope with Ronaldo around, now we can't IMHO.
If Nani would have had the same game like Park yesterday you'd have called for his head. As usual.
Unfortunately i have to agree, have always thought so.Park adds very little creativity let alone goal threat and that's why some supporters don't want to see him on the pitch
A little bit OTT that I'm afraid. The bottom line is that in those 3 seasons Park was a squad player, and that's how he should remain. If he is going to be starting most of our games this season, we will struggle. Quite simply he's not got the pace to provide a threat as a wide player in a 442. By all means play him at, say Chelsea, to nullify a dangerous full-back, but not against Burnley please!Yeah, without him in the team we probably would have won three league titles, one CL, and a few other cups aswell over the past three seasons.
If we had/have a better option than Park then I would have never had a problem with him sitting out games.To be fair, I don't think a lot of people are echoing sentiments they weren't echoing before, Pogue. Wrongly or not, there's always been a lot of people (myself included) who have never really rated him apart from a select few games that suited his style - ie, as a squad player, not a regular first teamer.
It's not like people were perfectly happy when he started loads of games last season and are only now upset; people were very upset he got so many starts.
But some people aren't re-writing history Pogue, most of my match going mates never thought he was United quality. It's theirs and also my opinion.My beef is with people re-writing history to say he was never good enough for United, because he quite clearly was.
Who would you have take his place?should not start for man utd now ronaldo has left, he does not make or score enough chances for a winger, when that is exactly what we want from our wing play now.
Valencia and Nani would be my choice of wingers at the moment.Who would you have take his place?
But productivity wise Valencia has contributed the same amount to the scoresheet (goals + assists) that Park has in the last three seasons, while taking 30 odd more games to get there.Valencia and Nani would be my choice of wingers at the moment.
Nani and valencia should be a permanent fixture.Who would you have take his place?
True but Park has done all that at United, we know what Park can do and we all know he isn't part of our best 11. Whereas with Valencia we have just signed him so we should be seeing what he can do and if he has what it takes.But productivity wise Valencia has contributed the same amount to the scoresheet (goals + assists) that Park has in the last three seasons, while taking 30 odd more games to get there.
try to consider valencia was playing for wigan and park united, i dont need to go into more detail really.But productivity wise Valencia has contributed the same amount to the scoresheet (goals + assists) that Park has in the last three seasons, while taking 30 odd more games to get there.