He doesn't play for Juventus anymore lad
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When Pogba played in Italy, he was a superstar. It's simply stupid to compare the hype and buzz around him at that time with Kroos, Modric or KDB.
Pogba had that aura around him, same for Neymar.
That why despite being injuried for 2 months in a crucial moment of the season, he was named in the UEFA XI and FIFA pro XI...
If Juventus would have won the CL with Pogba, he would have been ballon d'or.
But now with this weird choice of career, he lost that superstar status.
We had midfield three
Matic-Pogba
Lingard
He also tried the version of
xxxx - xxxx
Pogba
Not that he was effective in that. And what is LM? Do you mean like a LM in a 4-4-2 formation? Because you look at all modern team and nobody is playing that anymore. So LM means either left attacking position (Sanchez/Martial one), he can't play there. Or leftish CM in a 4-3-3 role. Which is exactly in "in a midfield 3". So basically you are saying that he can play only in one position.
Iniesta could play in attacking, AM role (Sanchez's), he played it for Spain, and deeper in midfield where he played for Barca.
I am trying to get an opportunity to write for The Sun and Daily Mail..
Midfield 3 is 433 or 352 not 4231. Pogba played in a midfield 2 yesterday
Yep 442 ( Juventus february 2016 against Bayern, not long time ago...
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In what game was that exactly? It's not like i watched Juve every week, but i do watch Serie A, most of top games anyway and i've never seen Juve in that formation.Yep 442 ( Juventus february 2016 not long time ago...
That's not true. Remember Arsenal game, it was 3-5-2 but it was the same midfield trio of Pog-Matic+Lingard.
I'm fairly sure they used it in the later stages of the CL that season.
As a nostalgic Juventus supporter I follow Utd as much as I can to watch Paul. Lots of criticism here, however I would gladly give back the money you guys paid to have him back.
Yet again another big game where he has failed to deliver. He really needs to put his stamp on one of the big matches and I'm not talking about the sort of stamp which got him sent off against Arsenal.
When he has peaked he might be more disciplined to play in a two man midfield but at the moment certainly not.
When he has peaked he might be more disciplined to play in a two man midfield but at the moment certainly not.
Perhaps Jose knows Pogba would be suited to a left sided Midfield 3 but doesn't have the trust in Herrera or Fellani to carry out the role correctly. Im certain Jose knows how effective pogba was at Juventus and which position he was used.
Maybe even this would of been more solid last night...
...Martial...lukaku...Sanchez
.....pogba..Matic...Carrick
Young..jones.smalling.valencia
After last nights performance its easy to say pogba was lazy and undisciplined which he was, but its quite evident a holding midfield 2 isnt where he’s at his best which leads me to believe JM doesn’t trust Herrera or Fellani.
Maybe even this would of been more solid last night...
...Martial...lukaku...Sanchez
.....pogba..Matic...Carrick
Young..jones.smalling.valencia
After last nights performance its easy to say pogba was lazy and undisciplined which he was, but its quite evident a holding midfield 2 isnt where he’s at his best which leads me to believe JM doesn’t trust Herrera or Fellani.
It's just a bad reaction to 1 game. Pogba is our best outfield player and no United fan can tell you anything different. He's irreplaceable in this team and personally I wouldn't swap him for any midfielder in the world.
So basically you mean in one game against Munich home, because i remember the Munich one, the 4-2. Pogba played in the middle in a CM/AM role and Juve was with 3 at the back, i remember it quite well because i was very skeptical about Evra CB position that day.
I kind of doubt Juve would play Pogba on the left side in a flat 4 midfield. But even if they did, that surely would be one-off. I seriously doubt he could play there. Actually a CM in a 4-2-3-1 is a better fit for him. But the team just needs to be balanced well. For example City played with Silva and KDB as a CMs, none of them are a CM, but because the defensive work is done by wingers, forward as well and because they all press high, they just need one real midfielder to cover for CBs in a DM role.
Sky Sports The Debate tonight.
Jose, please stop playing him in a midfield 2.
Jose, please stop playing him in a midfield 2.
I'll never understand why you would want to play your best player in anything other than his best position, everything should be built around getting the best out of him, why overcomplicate it.
Madrid and Bayern fans have said similar on here regarding Pogba. But you guys don't know anything about football or winning titles.
Stunned this ever finished 1 - 1. At 60 mins Wenger was "hating every moment" of it. Fair play to Arsenal that night, for once they had some fight. Barca seemed to have 10 world class players.
sell pogba and bring back cleverly. That will make caftards happy.
Why blame pogba?
He's the most technically gifted midfielder. The problem lies with other players who cannot link up with him.
Just wondering why man utd go for lukaku/morata instead of Kane?
He's the most technically gifted midfielder. The problem lies with other players who cannot link up with him.
Just wondering why man utd go for lukaku/morata instead of Kane?
Very poor performance from Pogba. He played like he didn't even want to be on the pitch, making token efforts even while Sanchez was running himself ragged right next to him. Maybe he was thumbing his nose at Mourinho for not playing him higher up the pitch and instead asking him to team up with Matic to control the midfield. Worthy of the substitution.
Funny isn't it how so many are baffled why we didn't sign Kane instead of Lukaku.Because they were on sale and the other wasn't
No, the problem lies with him being utterly useless off the ball. No intensity, no tackling, no positional discipline. Even attack minded midfielders like Gerard and Lampard weren't such a liability when their teams weren't in possession. He was bossed and bullied by Moussa Dembele yesterday, a player most consider to be the lesser of the two players. We played all our best attacking players yesterday (Martial, Lingard, Sanchez) so how was the problem the others who he couldn't link up to?
De Bruyne (1.39) wins more tackles per 90 minutes than Pogba (1.19) does.
De Bruyne plays deeper and is defensively better than Pogba, which is very surprising. I thought that Pogba was more box-to-box between the two but apparently that’s not the case.
De Bruyne plays deeper and is defensively better than Pogba, which is very surprising. I thought that Pogba was more box-to-box between the two but apparently that’s not the case.
Each and every time there is a criticism of any player, you come out with daft statements like these which add nothing to the discussion. Why come here to post such nonsense if you have an issue with any criticism?
What do you mean by the bolded part?
KdB doesn't play deeper. Pep's play style means they are always on possession and team is in attacking third.
He looked very lethargic. I definitely feel he wasn't 100% fit, he looked very leggy especially in the build up to the OG
Are you being serious ?
He actually does...the difference is that he takes half of the time pogba takes to make a pass and makes more defensive contribution that Pogba does. He covers a lot of ground too and won the ball back by occupying in the right areas !!
He doesn't. For example against Spurs, check their heat maps, pass maps, average position, touches. It's obvious who plays deeper.
We need to build the team around him. He's great but also has his limitations and as long as Jose does not find a working plan against the big teams, the outcome will remain the same
And even if Kane was available, he would have cost a lot more with him being English and a proven goalscorer. So many are fecking stupid tbh.
And he wouldn't even pick us, if he is on market Madird will make sure they will get him just like they did with Bale.
Deeper may not be right word but he is being used as a hybrid. He will drop deeper when required and makes some ridiculous forward passes in a fraction of a second. I would say Pogba is actually a better passer of than KdB but Pogba needs to start playing them early and takes more control of the mid.
That's the difference isn't it, he drops deeper when needed, Pogba plays deeper and support the attack when needed.
True. But his defensive contribution in utter garbage in most of the games...the game just bypasses him in the mid most of the times. He just need to show more fight, positional discipline and defensive responsibility.
I am just hoping Spurs game will be a wake up call to both Jose and Pogba.
He will shine against Huddersfield, just like he did against Stoke. haha.
Both of these posts sum it up perfectly. Pogba is perfectly capable of playing in a midfield 2. Maybe he would prefer to play in a position that gives him more freedom to attack and have 2 more defensive midfield players doing his leg work. But currently his decision making in the final third is atrocious and he is not productive enough to be an elite attacking player.
His capability as an elite player is his ability as an all rounder who can be solid defensively and add creativity to the attacking unit. There are very few players who can do that which is why he is such a special talent. United as an attacking unit has far more potential with Pogba in central midfield.
Irrespective of whether you believe he is best in a 2 or a 3, one thing is beyond debate. That was a huge game for the club in the context of this season and his effort levels defensively were abysmal. If the effort he put in was because he wants a more advanced role that is even worse. He is a leader in the squad and he needs to suck it up and do the job he is asked to do.
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