Now that Mourinho is gone, we apparently supposed to act like his United career hasn't been obviously flawed and everything he was criticised for before was down to the 'Mourinho spin machine', right 
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No, I agree. We can't blame every poor performance on Mourinho's presence.Now that Mourinho is gone, we apparently supposed to act like his United career hasn't been obviously flawed and everything he was criticised for before was down to the 'Mourinho spin machine', right
Pogba has the responsibility to be accountable for his own performances and attitude in matches, just like any professional. Can't just say, "Oh I had a shit match full of misplaced passes and failed useless tricks in my own end because I don't like the manager." No, not buying it.
Hoping Pogba steps up now that he has no more excuses with Mourinho gone. We saw it yesterday against Cardiff, so I expect him to keep it up. He can be one of the best midfielders in the world - but only if he wants to.
His announcement was about Pogmoji.
Didn't have a pogmoji 2 years ago? The one even man united made a lot of fuss about? I remember it was at the Liverpool game that it was unveiled
Caf should support the new Pogmoji which then can be used as a reply to every inane rant about Pogba.
It's a proper shit app with images and not emojis. It also conflicts with other apps
I knew it would be about emojis
Wouldn't know. I don't read Britsh media, I just watch games. From my seat he clearly decided after the Brighton game to come out and admit he'd been half arsing it and by the looks of his performances nothing really changed until Jose was sacked. Until professional pride was well and truly on the line we'd get 10-15mins a game of graft out of him. There were zero consequences for him to lose skin in the game otherwise so it's cool I understand. The personal defense brigade has been in hot pursuit of anybody who dare say otherwise which I find a bit weird, but I guess that is just modern football.. Or something.
But like I said, all is forgiven innit'? If nobody ever mentions unprofessional behavior again and he atones and shows the incredible ability he obviously has then it's all kushdi right?
Are you for real? I mean, do you really watch the games? For probably 2 months between august and october, he was litteraly the only good thing for Man Utd, he carried the entire team almost every game.
You're so blatantly biased against him it's ridiculous.
That would all be good if it had any truth to it.
And after the Brighton game, our second game of the season, he said the whole team didn’t try hard enough. He was also MOTM in the game before that against Leicester. If you don’t think he had good games against Watford, Burnley, Wolves, Everton, Chelsea, Newcastle, Young Boys then you are either extremely reserved in your praise of players (likely only Paul Pogba), or are watching with your television upside down.
You really couldn't write blatantly till you searched it on Google ? There're other options of words.
I don't even have the club's app installed so imagine telling me about his own app.
Does anyone have a GIF of the no look pass yesterday?
Now that Mourinho is gone, we apparently supposed to act like his United career hasn't been obviously flawed and everything he was criticised for before was down to the 'Mourinho spin machine', right
Apparently so. And now he's better than Modric as well.
I'm all for being positive but I don't understand the view from some that we cantc question the players now. Well, the ones they like that is. The team selection yesterday brought a few remarks over certain inclusions.
Can some of you lots simply just bore off already?
We get it, you lot can't go a day without trying to find shit to complain about when it comes to Pogba and with him having started his post Mourinho life well, you're uneasy and want to over scrutinise whatever he does.
Just do one already. So pathetic now. The hope was that with Mourinho gone some of you would feck off with him or calm down a bit but I guess somethings are just hard to rid off like coackroaches.
We get it, you lot can't go a day without trying to find shit to complain about when it comes to Pogba and with him having started his post Mourinho life well, you're uneasy and want to over scrutinise whatever he does.
Just do one already. So pathetic now. The hope was that with Mourinho gone some of you would feck off with him or calm down a bit but I guess somethings are just hard to rid off like coackroaches.
He played unbelievable. Even when Jesse took the penalty he was there celebrating with him when he scored. He even pressed and moved better than before (as did Matic, cough cough system cough). I loved him going into the crowd to the kid at the end. Not only a lovely gesture but a feck you to Jose about which of them truly loves this club.
That's quite interesting.
The goal posts have now been moved to "if I didn't think he had any good games". The argument has and always will be "was he half arsing it and was he taking the piss" I think the answer is a resounding 'yes'. Is there questions of professionalism to be answered? Under Ole' I don't think so, because Ole knows the club and the scale of the job that is on here. Will it happen further down the track? You would hope not if all is quickly forgiven after this Mourinho incident. I also think we're far less immuned to these types of things because the game has changed and we were shielded from it by Sir Alex for a decade or maybe even more.
These arguments always go the same way, as if people have to take it personally and step in and defend the honor of Pogba. I think it is a dangerous thing to be tied to the metric of a single player and his will to perform. Something Mourinho obvious fell afoul of. I'm personally glad that chapter is done and I still think genuine questions need to be asked in the off-season about Pogba's long term future at the club, along with a host of other players.
The next managerial appointment will be crucial and as I have stated earlier, Pogba is at a crossroads in his career in general. At or away from United there is a path to take for him, it will be interesting to see how it goes. Aligning our PL title ambitions with his future can come at a price we may as a fanbase not be completely willing to pay.
I genuinely look forward to him playing a lot better through to the end of the season to at the very least atone, but it is still my opinion that his position in the team is untenable due to thinking that he was acting in an unprofessional manner earlier in the season and that it was obvious that he let his standards slip. It becomes a dangerous road to travel going forward, but if the fans are willing to just ignore it then more power to them. We're all sweet as a fanbase supporting the team.
Can understand and agree to disagree if you don't see it in that light. Fair enough, we're all riding this United train together and want the best for the club going forward.
Fecking emojis, Pogba.
Great news.
Great news.
We just disagree on what constitutes him not trying. His bad performances don't automatically mean he's not trying. And it's undeniable that he was one of our best players so him being the one to be singled out for professionalism is strange if almost all his teammates weren't as good as him. We're talking about a guy who cut short his vacation to come back with a MOTM type performance against Leicester.
I don't know why a large part of the United fan base automatically associate his bad performances with a lack of effort and professionalism. You can question professionalism in regards to him calling out Mourinho in the media, fair enough. Maybe you can call out the Southampton match for lack of effort. But by and large I just disagree that the rest of his bad performances were the result of lack of effort.
Imagine Keane getting notifications to download the app.
Pretty much it and def a multitude of reasons why people apportion blame his way. It's a combination of the usual suspects like how much we paid and how much he's paid. Irrespective of what he's does, he will never be good enough and the vultures will always be circling. For me and whilst I'm not saying it's racist or xenophobic but I do think there's a number of things attributed to him in ways I've never read about white and English players. It's not the criticism but the narrative from the press that sits uncomfortably will me. The Sterling thing might have raised its profile but this things been reported this way for years...
Really? Surely you can see why that association happened? Because we all watched the same football matches and when he played at his worst the lack of effort couldn’t have been more obvious. I mean, come on. What’s the alternative? All these different people accusing him of a lack of effort fell victim to some sort of mass hallucination?
I couldn’t really give a toss, though. There’s obvious reasons for him being disenchanted with life at United and, in that context, I can understand why he didn’t always give 100%. Humans are complicated creatures and a really good manager will find a way to get the best out of everyone in our squad. Including Pogba. And Pogba’s shown himself more than capable of being a great player for us when handled properly. Which is good enough for me.
When he has a bad performance I just assume that he didn't have it that day. The only time I felt could be a lack of effort was the Southampton match where he lost the ball twice without the defender even touching it. However, even those two incidents could be argued that he just wasn't right mentally.
Sometimes when his defensive shortcomings are on display it's obvious why people will blame lack of effort. It most likely is lack of effort towards defending. But he will show that even on days where he's at his best. I put it down to a flaw in his profile. So yeah you can call it lack of effort, but this is almost exclusively used for his bad performances as opposed to a flaw in his ability. As if on days where he's not playing well, it was due to a lack of effort. I think we need to recognize what he is as a player. So on some level we do agree, we just disagree on the reason why he performed badly.
This is why JPRouve calls him a luxury player, but at the same time defends him from these people who slate him for not being the complete midfielder. Based on this definition I can agree with it, but at the same time I can disagree with the idea that his attacking ability is not essential for our side.
Finally, I can understand why people compare him to complete midfielders because he has everything in order to be the most complete midfielder ever. He has technique. He has strength to hold off players. He can score. He can pass very well. He can play a great through ball. But at this point it's not something we should expect him to be. I don't think he has the energy to do it all and him doing it all will mean a more reserved Pogba who isn't as good in attack.
We should expect him to be a player whose main job is to be an attacking force and a player who will supplement that main job by chipping in to orchestrate the middle with his passing ability and will chip in with winning the ball. Just don't expect him to be the primary source of that.
There were two matches where that was true. One earlier in the season, one about a month or so ago. The rest of the time he was still trying but he was just playing poorly, and his lack of urgency was no worse than the rest of the team but he was generally the only one being talked about.
Unbelievable? Over react much? He played decent lets not all claim Pogba is now world class cos of a couple of through balls against a very poor Cardiff side
If you think Pogba loves this club you are very much mistaken. He left before cos he couldn't get enough money out of us. He stopped playing for the club based on a row with Jose. He has been underperforming for the last 2 seasons, only showing glimpses of his ability.
Pogba would leave us for more money in a heartbeat.
Talented, yes. But he needs to up his performance level on a consistent basis to prove he is a good player, not just show glimpses.
This is simply untrue.
He left because he couldn't get into the team ahead of Rafael and Ji Sung Park in a game we got annihilated in. He left for Juve for playing time, became a world class midfielder and then came back to a struggling United.
I get the impression that he loves the club but wants to see it improve and win things.
I can smell your hate from here
We offered him more money than Juve.
He hasn't been underperforming for 2 seasons.
That is a good point and an accusation which can certainly be levelled at him even outside the Mourinho context.
However my point is that this natural flaw in Pogba game should have been rectified by now and would have been if he had played under a Sarri, Pep or Klopp - guys who prioritise fast transferring of the ball between the lines and between players to produce faster passing combinations and to take the ‘ego’ out of the collective to a degree outside the final third when it comes to having the ball.
Under Jose it seems everyone was allowed to labour on the ball as there was no options, no tactical instructions which prioritised faster movement of the ball and therefore players were left to their own devices and bad habits allowed to reign supreme.
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Ignoring Sanchez and Di Maria for this argument as I think Pogba from a passing perspective should not be looking to be in this company.
Compared to KDB I completely agree that Pogba produces more unforgivable moments of brain farts compared to KDB at this stage of his career. KDB loses the ball only when he goes for the forward pass but he very rarely gives away possession due to a over elaborate backwards or side wards long pass which Pogba does.
You’re absolutely right to pick up on it because if Pogba wants to become the best midfielder in the world - that stuff just doesn’t happen often and with Pogba it happens a few times a game minimum. As a top midfielder you to some extent need to have metronomic tendencies of being very efficient with your use of the ball and in Pogba context - I get he has to play with more risk than a Modric or Verratti but the problem is he is misplacing passes which are not the risky break the line passes but ones which should be a simply switch of play.
I am hoping he gets coached in relation to this issue and he eradicates it from his game. Based on Cardiff though you’d have to say he has improved a lot as a footballer - that game albeit against easy opposition, he was dictating tempo as well as being a threat offensively and our focus needs to be on him being that KDB style player for us. Not a predominantly defensive disciplined midfielder like a Viera who had to be more balanced - Pogba needs to prioritise attacking to be at his best.
That's a flipping great move. Could've easily been a waste of a run from Shaw but they all committed and seemed to know what they were going for. Quality quality pass from Pogba. Creativity is what we've really missed for so long.
A true professional who loves the club wouldn't leave because he didn't get picked for 1 game. He had no right to demand the money he did and forced the clubs hand. Fergie made a judgement call based on the players attitude. Fergie was right.
He done well at Juve yes, I wouldn't put Pogba anywhere near a world class bracket. Pirlo, Vidal were streets ahead of him for Juve.
He probably does want the club to do well, but has been in poor form since re-joining and showed more petulance than footballing ability.
I'm a massive fan of his potential and ability, but wary his personality and inconsistency is bad for our club. World class is miles off for Pogba.
Our fans who think Pogba is world class have seriously low expectations. Messi is world class, not Pogba
Pogba is getting far too much stick, just about all of our players looked shite under Mourinho not just Pogba.
The runs from Shaw + Martial is exactly the sort of runs we've been desperately needing.
If we can add more 3rd man runs regularly we will break teams down plenty. That's the key to breaking a deep defence. When a player is running at speed into a crowded box you can't stop him apart form blocking / tripping.
I can smell your hate from here
We offered him more money than Juve.
He hasn't been underperforming for 2 seasons.
His attitude wasn't right for our club and for me, it still isn't.
He's been more of a problem than a help. If he could perform at his so called "world class" level then perhaps we wouldn't be so far behind in the race for top 4.
All our fans who cant wake up to the fact that on paper he is our most talented player, but in reality he underperforms and doesn't influence games is staggering.
Fellaini puts more effort in than Pogba, that's the problem. He's so far been a disappointing signing
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