I didn't say he did lied but what he said makes Raiola being the guilty one, not that there's a war between Jose and Paul.
Pep Guardiola: "Raiola offered me Mkhitaryan and Pogba two months ago.
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Probably the type of thing that goes on all the time. The sooner we're rid of Raiola the better though.
Okay. Not sure we are on the same page though.
The only one having something to lose here is Pogba if anything of this is true. Baldy is classless in doing this but it will cause drama for us so he wins, Raiola doing what he's supposed to do, look around for the best deals for his players but If Pogba is in on this he's making himself the worst cnut of the three of them. Think Tevez is hated? Just wait, if this is true Pogba will be the nr1 on that list.
Actually he didn't confirm it, but he didn't deny offering City the players:
Raiola told BBC Sport he did not speak to Guardiola but did not deny telling City of the players' availability.
More than likely this was trying to gain leverage in possible future contract talks
I have an opinion and so do you. Have you read Pep's mind to be so sure I am wrong? Stop taking bull yourself.
If what you assume is true, then it does not really matter if he offered our players to Pep himself or City's board. The decision would need to be made by Pep anyways.
I think the reason Mourinho gets more flak is because his attacks tend to be personal. All managers can be equally petty especially when they perceive an attack. I don't think anyone is better than the rest in that regard, except maybe Ancelotti. With Mourinho however, they can be very crass like insulting a fellow's manager wife or weight, or like when he accuses respected legends of being jealous of his players' earnings. I personally thought Mourinho was witty and fun and totally within his rights when he responded to Sir Alex's jab about Chelsea's money 10 years ago by "he is right, money can't be everything, that's why my Porto beat his team". But when he says that it's not Pogba's fault that he is earning more than Scholes or when he tells Benitez's wife to focus on his diet, the wit becomes bitter low crassness.
Disagree tbh, he is not s stupid man and I am sure he knew what reaction the comments would make.
He can't hear Pep all the way up there at the top of the table?
This is the same as the Rooney situation isn't it? Flirting with City for more money, without it being a serious realisation
Many United fans never forgave him for that, and he was a much better player
Many United fans never forgave him for that, and he was a much better player
Pretty much.
Thanks.
There are many unclear things in this. First of all, it's not clear whether Raiola confirmed here he offered Pogba to City, or City approached him in hope of getting Pogba. Checking player availability with agent is another entirely different thing than the player works with his agent to force a move. And there is no indication of Raiola confirming Pogba being available for transfer. So it's not matched the narrative Pep put out.
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What Pogba should have done is call that fat feck of an agent of his and say what he has to him, not acting like an adolescent teen who just broke with his girl and tries to send messages through Instagram.
Yup. He could have just said that Raiola offered him players just two months ago and not mention names. It was as intentional as it gets.
Exactly.
Why is that so offending, the wife first mouthed off how her husband cleaned up Jose's mess? Ignoring the fact that he left Rafa a team of European champions.
Surely pogba can bin him and switch to Mendes
We're a couple of days away from Pep getting knocked out of the CL, again, despite spending more money than ever. And yet everyone is up in arms, again, about Pogba and Raiola and Mourinho. That wasn't a coincidence.
Exactly, he knew what he was doing IMO
Yes but he also didn't deny it.
Slow and needs too much time on the ball. Too cumbersome. And that's not saying Paul is essentialy sluggish, he just isn't quick and nimble enough for Pep's style.
Late with the answer, so will be short. I don't expect any favours from Pep, don't expect absolutely anything positive from him. But, that still doesn't make this move any less cnutish in my eyes, that's all. Managers usually don't talk about other players under contract for a reason.
We can both agree on the last sentence.
I'm sorry, I was being sarcastic. I hope you were too, because it's hard to tell which is parody and which is not nowadays.
Completely mind boggling that anyone can support Baldy on this one. And they seem to be doing it because they dislike Raiola.
One of the most cnutish things a person can do, is bring people into their own beef that are not involved. He could have easily said the same thing without name dropping anyone, that is what a 'gentleman' would do (that's what he likes portraying himself as).
One of the biggest cnuts in football without a doubt.
One of the most cnutish things a person can do, is bring people into their own beef that are not involved. He could have easily said the same thing without name dropping anyone, that is what a 'gentleman' would do (that's what he likes portraying himself as).
One of the biggest cnuts in football without a doubt.
If City would have approached Raiola for any of his players, Pep would never have openly said that Raiola offered his players to him. Moreover, Raiola would have responded in a ferocious manner to this allegation.
I think you are chosing to ignore the blunt truth. Raiola himself has said that he offered his players to City but he just did not confirm whether it was Pogba or not.
However, if anything that Pep said was a lie then Raiola would have explicitly specified it that but instead he offered an unclear response as he is no position to deny the facts that Pep pointed out.
Look at the Raiola's tone on this matter when he was bashing Pep as coward and what not just a week ago. If this was a lie, Raiola would have mortified Pep badly.
If it's all lies it's as low as it comes, potentially very damaging to a young mans career. Especially if Pogba has no intention to leave and loves the club. If it's a lie it's not very far from slander when you know the repercussion a statement like that can have.
I don't know if there is a cultural difference but to me questioning a fellow's professional weight and diet is crass. I did not say offensive. Even if we give him the benefit of the doubt in that one, how about questioning Cristiano Ronaldo's education and referring to his poor upbringing? That was around the same period Ronaldo lost his father. You don't think that crosses a line?
Amen.
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As I pointed out, there is difference between confirming he (Raiola) approached City vs City approached him.
There are plenty of space for assumption for this two instances, just as City handshake with Alexis. What if there was no handshake but City approached Alexis' agent.
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One prime example is Fernando Torres. SAF confirmed we tried to approach him when he was at Atletico. However, every attempt met with his agent saying he was not available. Then L'pool somehow came at the right time and took him with ease.
The stories at the time was United is working on agreeing a deal with Torres when if SAF word to be believed 100%, the agent never got into negotiation state but confirming availability status
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Glad that you know that, because yes this guy knows absolutely nothing.
Pep is a d**k, however I hope this is a lesson to Woodward. Stop going for so called 'stars' and concentrate on building a proper team. We should also cancel Raiola - no more clients from him and if they wish, his clients can go with him.
Sick of all this drama with our club. Ever since SAF left, we haven't been able to just concentrate on the club and football, instead of all the drama that Woodward seems to thrive on in his pursuit of 'commercial' players.
Sick of all this drama with our club. Ever since SAF left, we haven't been able to just concentrate on the club and football, instead of all the drama that Woodward seems to thrive on in his pursuit of 'commercial' players.
Sir, if Raiola would have said the same about Jose, Jose would have responded far more ferociously and bitterly as Raiola made a personal attack by calling Pep a dog and a coward.
People who think Pep is wrong to lay down his sentiments are just looking at this with biased eyes.
Has he ever got anything correct, ever?
Pogba mentions to his agent things are not going as he'd hoped at United, doesn't like the tactics Jose employs etc. Raiola puts some feelers out, let's a few clubs know that Pogba isn't totally settled or happy at United.
Guardiola sticks that in his back pocket,a card to play at the right time.
Nobody looks good here. That's modern day football for you.
Guardiola sticks that in his back pocket,a card to play at the right time.
Nobody looks good here. That's modern day football for you.
Probably Always right if he keeps saying there's a 50/50 chance of a transfer happening.
Its a cnutish move by Pep, but a brilliant one
He was only called a dog this week though.
Bet Mourinho is furious he didn't have a similar ace to play, & secretly admiring Guardiola for playing it.