Don't you guys think this is a sackable offense of a top three team in the world? Winning only a piss poor league for both years which even a blind man could have managed. Getting humiliated in the champions league both times. I think he has been an utter failure at Bayern with his high expectations.
Pep Guardiola
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That's why he's so good and why I want him here. I wouldn't be arsed if we lost like that, it's great to watch. What's the point in playing and watching football if you don't want to emulate the best? You're not going to do it by sitting in your own half all game.
As a coach, I think he's far from the sure thing that some once thought he was.
In danger of getting sacked my arse, he just won the league 2nd time in a row. Lost against a brilliant Barcelona in the semi's. Besides, who would even come close to be his successor ?
He is overrated...there i said it.
Just saw that Bayern had 0 shots on target.
Hes a brilliant coach, excellent coach. What could have been with that Heynkes team though?
I credit his approach. He's not a coward like Mourinho.
He won them the league and brought them to the semis twice in a row. Don't understand how you can get sacked for that.
Not that shit again
I only recall one chance. They did okay, for the most part of the game but didn't threaten anywhere near enough.
To be fair to Pep the Bayern team right now is beset with injuries (or so I think) and Messi is doing what he does best.
Having won the league basically unchallenged has made the CL seem like the only way you could judge his time at bayern, which is unfair imo, because no manager can guarantee winning the CL in 1, 2 or even 5 years, it's a cup competition, and a bloody difficult one.
Not really. First, he doesn't score in every game, even more 2 goals.
Yep Jose's sacking could be justified ...
He played a great game. The difference was just Messi, and the third goal was really cruel
but I'll take it
but I'll take it
He could learn a thing or two from Mourinho. Sometimes you have to accept the other team is better and will win an open game, then come up with a way to win. He just tries to outplay everyone, which was fine when he was gifted a once in a lifetime squad at Barca.
They sacked Hitzfeld who won the CL, got to two other CL finals and won 4 leagues. They did end up taking him back. So they might have learned something from that.
Well now he just like the not so Special One will have to wait for a 3rd CL trophy.
It's now either for Ancelotti to win a 4th (!!!) or for the other two to win their 1st.
It's now either for Ancelotti to win a 4th (!!!) or for the other two to win their 1st.
2 league titles in 2 seasons, if that's failure then i'd love it if he fails with us someday.
Don't tell me winning the Bundesliga is even an achievement for Pep. This Bayern team is as good as Barca or Madrid and does not deserve to be beaten 7-0 by them. Why keep Pep when any manager can win Bayern the league and take them to the semis every year?Not that shit again
Not fully convinced by Pep but have to admit he was unlucky with injuries tonight, even a fully fit tactically spot on Bayern might have struggled with Messi in that form.
Neville mentioned it, without, Robben or Ribery, playing on the counter was a hell of a lot more difficult.
So you also think winning the league is an achievement for Pep? Its like finishing top 4 for Wenger. It's the bare minimum and both are scraping it.
Come off it. Bayern win Bundesliga just by being in it. They're miles better than the rest and just pillage their competitors for their best players.
They sacked him, when they won nothing and Werder Breman won the title on their ground.
But at least you've a better chance of keeping Barca out and taking them back to your place, being still in the game. That's a lot more positive than their current position in this tie.
I wouldn't call it an achievement to win it at all. But how they dominate the league and win it and how consistent they are is kind of impressive. The Bundesliga is not piss poor by any means. The only league which is without a doubt better is La Liga. And to make it to the CL semis every year is not that bad either, I doubt any manager would do it, we all saw with Moyes what a difference a bad manager can do.
Maybe Bayern will win the 2nd leg 2-0, then it was a close affair overall. I don't think you can really judge the result today with the injuries Bayern having right now. They are missing their 2 best players + Alaba, their midfielders are not really fit and Lewa probably wasn't by 100percent either. Take only Messi out of Barca and we would praise Pep now because they got a draw at Camp Nou.
Right. So he should be winning the treble ever year.
He must be the most bizarrely criticised manager around. He sure is on redcafe.
You all do know he's missing his two best attackers and an important defender? And he played a team with Messi Neymar and Suarez?
You all do know he's missing his two best attackers and an important defender? And he played a team with Messi Neymar and Suarez?
So he has to win the champions league and he gets two years to do it or he is a failure?
They have reached the semis both times and have come up against superior clubs.
Why do people like extremes so much? Its about picking the times when to press, when to defend deep, with great positional play and then break. Jupp's bayern made a mockery of barca doing just that with 37% possession, bet you the bayern fans enjoyed the 7-1 more than this mare. Not parking the bus and hoping for the best.
Did you watch juve yesterday? Do you think their fans would've enjoyed their team taking gambles and getting spanked?
Don't want pep, as he's going to try to play like this against the big boys and I doubt our team will have the technical gap against the big sides that he used to have at barca.
Overreaction. A certain naivety and lack of pragmatism costs him from time to time but I'm not gonna criticise a manager too much for that, as I'm an idealist myself. Bayern could do with being pushed harder in their domestic league however. I think complacency has been a factor in both of their CL campaigns under Pep. Injuries and facing the greatest player of all time were bigger factors tonight though.
Yes it's not difficult to win the league, but it's also unrealistic to demand winning the CL or class his time at bayern as failure, this is a competition that we've won only 3 times in our history, and 5 times for bayern, no manager can guarantee it, period.
The champion league is the hardest trophy to win. You need luck with injuries and few lucky decisions to go for you.
Fergie won it twice, so has Jose. I can't believe people on here seem to think Pep should be winning it every year or otherwise its a failure.
Fergie won it twice, so has Jose. I can't believe people on here seem to think Pep should be winning it every year or otherwise its a failure.
No manager has ever won the CL on successive occasions. What makes people think Heynckes would have won it the second time? Nevermind a new manager coming in with new ideas and a new style.
Eh. The Champions League is a game of fine margins. As good as Heynckes team was they barely got through Arsenal. Take out Robben and Ribery from that team and they wouldn't have won.
With the team he has he should win the league easily and be one of the main contenders for the champions league. He has done okay I think.
I'm not even saying he should win it to be considered a success. I'd just like to see some tactical diversity, as if he's actually accounted for any of the oppositions threats. He didn't exactly set up as though he was playing Barca and they could have conceded 3 in the first half alone.
Just ridiculous, subbing off Müller and that's something I will never get. Was he questioned about the logic behind it? He was their best player after Neuer imo and was just about the only source of inspiration (in what little of the ball he managed to see) in Barca's half.
Injuries meant Bayern were never going to win this though and apart from his gung-ho tactical move with 3 at the back in the beginning, which he rectified later, I don't see a whole lot that Guardiola could have differently for this match.
Injuries meant Bayern were never going to win this though and apart from his gung-ho tactical move with 3 at the back in the beginning, which he rectified later, I don't see a whole lot that Guardiola could have differently for this match.