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He is very overrated. I have watched several games of him and he is a tidy player for sure with good skills but not much more than that.
I think it's quite clear you've only 'watched several games'.He is very overrated. I have watched several games of him and he is a tidy player for sure with good skills but not much more than that.
He is alright, nothing special and defo nowhere near close what Guardiola said about himI think it's quite clear you've only 'watched several games'.
Does seem we are being told hes a great player rather than being shown it.I don't get all the over the top praise, yeah he is excellent talent but at least should wait for him to play well for first team before going with all the "excellent player, awesome player" praises.
He may be overrated, but if you're saying he's a tidy player with good skills and that's it, after you admit you've only seen him several times, it suggests that you don't really even know what type of player he is.He is alright, nothing special and defo nowhere near close what Guardiola said about him
I have seen him enough to form an opinion, you can disagree with it but it doesn't mean I'm wrong. How much more than "several times" do I need to watch him then ?He may be overrated, but if you're saying he's a tidy player with good skills and that's it, after you admit you've only seen him several times, it suggests that you don't really even know what type of player he is.
No, but it does suggest you do not know what type of player he is, which then leads me to believe your opinion is not especially informed. I'd like to think that most fair-minded people would agree that you need to watch a player, especially one still a teenager, more than 'several times' to be able to offer up an opinion as categorical as 'very overrated', but maybe that's just me.I have seen him enough to form an opinion, you can disagree with it but it doesn't mean I'm wrong. How much more than "several times" do I need to watch him then ?
That makes sense.No, but it does suggest you do not know what type of player he is, which then leads me to believe your opinion is not especially informed. I'd like to think that most fair-minded people would agree that you need to watch a player, especially one still a teenager, more than 'several times' to be able to offer up an opinion as categorical as 'very overrated', but maybe that's just me.
Very overrated based on what Guardiola said about him, of that I have absolutely no doubt. Quantify "more than several times" then, I'd like to know what I'm actually missing. I haven't seen him be more than a tidy player with good skills so far. The way City fans and Guardiola talk him, I've always expected a little more but so far I haven't seen it, maybe he will in the future.No, but it does suggest you do not know what type of player he is, which then leads me to believe your opinion is not especially informed. I'd like to think that most fair-minded people would agree that you need to watch a player, especially one still a teenager, more than 'several times' to be able to offer up an opinion as categorical as 'very overrated', but maybe that's just me.
He is very overrated. I have watched several games of him and he is a tidy player for sure with good skills but not much more than that.
It's a bit of a disingenuous point to use Guardiola's ludicrous and obviously hyperbolic statement as the touchstone for the validity of your opinion, as obviously Foden is not the most talented player Pep has ever seen; just as Claudio Bravo's debut performance in a City shirt was not actually one of the best performances he's ever witnessed. You don't strike me as a gullible person so I don't believe you took Pep's comments about Foden at face value.Very overrated based on what Guardiola said about him, of that I have absolutely no doubt. Quantify "more than several times" then, I'd like to know what I'm actually missing. I haven't seen him be more than a tidy player with good skills so far. The way City fans and Guardiola talk him, I've always expected a little more but so far I haven't seen it, maybe he will in the future.
In all honesty I never really brought that notion, you shouldn't need to see a player play endless first team games to know if they have a chance or not.I don't get all the over the top praise, yeah he is excellent talent but at least should wait for him to play well for first team before going with all the "excellent player, awesome player" praises.
I'm not disputing that at all but just how many games equal "more than several" times and are a fair number to assess a player according to you ?It's a bit of a disingenuous point to use Guardiola's ludicrous and obviously hyperbolic statement as the touchstone for the validity of your opinion, as obviously Foden is not the most talented player Pep has ever seen; just as Claudio Bravo's debut performance in a City shirt was not actually one of the best performances he's ever witnessed. You don't strike me as a gullible person so I don't believe you took Pep's comments about Foden at face value.
You can't really dispute the idea that you need to watch a player more than several times to have an informed opinion on their abilities. If you accept the fact that Foden has had good and bad games in a City shirt, then surely you accept the fact that watching him several times does not give you an informed opinion on his abilities - at least not to the extent that you can be confident in giving such categorical statements as 'very overrated' or 'very underrated' if you wanted to adopt an alternate approach.
This is a bizarre line of questioning which you know full well does not have an answer. You have watched a teenage footballer play 'several times' and feel that has informed you enough to say he is 'very overrated'. I dispute that view. That does not mean I have some magic formula to tell you exactly how much you have to watch him, only that 'several times' is manifestly not enough to be able to confidently deliver such an unconditional view.I'm not disputing that at all but just how many games equal "more than several" times and are a fair number to assess a player according to you ?
I actually don't think a loan spell would have benefited him, but he should have been given much more minutes this season. The amount of times Gundogan plays as an #8, especially since it has become clear the league has gone, has irritated me and many City fans. Same goes for Garcia in defence.I’ll admit I’ve only seen him a few times, but I haven’t yet seen anything that makes me think he’s much better than the rest of his age group. That said, I’m sure he really is a special talent as I can’t imagine Pep having him there otherwise. But surely he should be loaned out for a season or two to get minutes. World of good it did for guys like Mount and Abraham for instance.
I've always been intreged about the prospect of Foden playing deeper, similar to what Gilmour has been doing since he's come in our side, mainly because thinking for the national team we badly need to produce a player who can dictate a games tempo and he seems our best bet.I actually don't think a loan spell would have benefited him, but he should have been given much more minutes this season. The amount of times Gundogan plays as an #8, especially since it has become clear the league has gone, has irritated me and many City fans. Same goes for Garcia in defence.
I agree with this post. Nothing wrong with loaning them out when they aren't yet vital to the first team. Exactly how I feel about Gomes and to a lesser extent Chong. Better them getting regular game time at a Championship level than the odd cameo and u23s football. People forget that it's usually freaks like Rooney, Ronaldo and Mesii etc that are ready to contribute at such a young age. It's also why someone like Greenwood and Williams for us should be allowed bad games because it's not 'normal' for players of that age to be undisputed first teamers.I’ll admit I’ve only seen him a few times, but I haven’t yet seen anything that makes me think he’s much better than the rest of his age group. That said, I’m sure he really is a special talent as I can’t imagine Pep having him there otherwise. But surely he should be loaned out for a season or two to get minutes. World of good it did for guys like Mount and Abraham for instance.
I would say that's nonsense and that's trying to put as respectfully as possible.In all honesty I never really brought that notion, you shouldn't need to see a player play endless first team games to know if they have a chance or not.
I remember i wrote off Lukaku's chances of being a world class striker within 5 minutes of his Chelsea debut, it was very clear straight away he lacked the technical tools to reach those heights.
Agree, watching Bojan and Janujaz for their first 10 games and you'd be convinced they'd be all time greats (considering they definitely had talent) whereas someone like Odegaard looks amazing now but didn't have the best of starts at the top level.I would say that's nonsense and that's trying to put as respectfully as possible.
Shit loads of young players who dominated youth football failed to step up at senior level, likewise players who weren't very highly rated as generational talents went on to become great players.
Forget young player, you can't judge any player within 5 mins. You can't even judge within just few games either.
Why wouldn’t it have benefitted him to play as regular at another club this season instead of making the odd appearance here and there at City? I’m not a trainer, but I’m struggling to see how a few cameos at City is better for his development than regular football somewhere else. Again, just look at what it did to Mount and Abraham.I actually don't think a loan spell would have benefited him, but he should have been given much more minutes this season. The amount of times Gundogan plays as an #8, especially since it has become clear the league has gone, has irritated me and many City fans. Same goes for Garcia in defence.
Every time Gundogan plays, City are missing something in the middle. Long may it continue.I actually don't think a loan spell would have benefited him, but he should have been given much more minutes this season. The amount of times Gundogan plays as an #8, especially since it has become clear the league has gone, has irritated me and many City fans. Same goes for Garcia in defence.
I don't see him as that type of player really. It would be a waste of his talent to play him in a deeper role. He needs to be getting on the ball in the final third as much as possible. We'll have better options if we want someone to sit deeper too, I don't think Foden would excel in that role unlike Gilmour who seems like it's natural to him.I've always been intreged about the prospect of Foden playing deeper, similar to what Gilmour has been doing since he's come in our side, mainly because thinking for the national team we badly need to produce a player who can dictate a games tempo and he seems our best bet.
Could he develop into that type of player? I could be wrong but I swear he played that position in our Charity Shield clash last season.
There's not many people Foden's age playing regular first-team football at Premier League level. What team do you think he'd be certain to play for regularly that would benefit him more than sporadic games with City, training with Silva, de Bruyne etc and being coached by Pep? Especially seen as he's going to be replacing Silva from next season, and City's style of football is likely to be fairly similar even after Pep, I'm not convinced a loan spell would have been better for him. I think people underestimate the risks of a loan-spell too.Why wouldn’t it have benefitted him to play as regular at another club this season instead of making the odd appearance here and there at City? I’m not a trainer, but I’m struggling to see how a few cameos at City is better for his development than regular football somewhere else. Again, just look at what it did to Mount and Abraham.
No, you're not alone in that. Young player, played out of position, who struggled to get into the game. It happens. It didn't help that his more experienced teammates had an off-day and his manager seems reluctant to give him minutes in a role that would suit him.No, but it does suggest you do not know what type of player he is, which then leads me to believe your opinion is not especially informed. I'd like to think that most fair-minded people would agree that you need to watch a player, especially one still a teenager, more than 'several times' to be able to offer up an opinion as categorical as 'very overrated', but maybe that's just me.
What Guardiola said about Foden being the best teen footballer he has ever seen is basically the same as Sir Alex calling Phil Jones the next Duncan Edwards.
Haha I can’t figure out which one is worse to be fair.
He ( SAF)never said that TBF.
He said he could be Utds best ever...which is kind of worse in many ways
Ok: Ronaldo, Rooney, Cantona,Robson, Keane, Scholes, Giggs, Becks,Best, Law, Charlton,Rio, Irwin, Shmikes, Et al...Haha I can’t figure out which one is worse to be fair.
I heard that he thinks it's more beneficial working under Pep and training alongside City's other good players.Why don’t they send him on loan
There's not many as talented as him eitherThere's not many people Foden's age playing regular first-team football at Premier League level.