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Are you saying that Jones should have predicted that Baily will play him onside and Darmian wont offer any resistance against the cross ? The game was placed at a fast pace and he couldn't get back. Are you neglecting the fact that Baily just allowed the guy whatever his name is to run past him like he was not there and tap in the ball ? Baily was ahead of him too but still didn't sense the guy running behind him ?
I didn't watch Baily perform during the international break but certainly watched the England games. Jones was picked for both matches and was immense. That said, he has been overworked imo. As well as he played, by the end of the second England match looked totally shagged. Playing the first three United games and back-to-back for England was too much. Both he and Baily looked tired against the Potters and the mistakes cost us ... one or both will need to be rested for Tuesday. Based on the efforst he put in for the National team I think I would have given Smalling a run on Saturday.
I know! Lot's of very reactionary posters as always
... as much as I believe Jones should have been rested for this match, it was really only one costly lapse in concentration and not his entire performance today. Lukaku should have scored to make it 3-2, but he didn't; ifs and buts 
The point is he could of got back but decided to check his run and turn back. No one is disputing that Baily was wholly to blame for the goal, i'ts that Jones could have recovered the situation if he done the basics right.
You're completely hung up on whose fault the goal was. Yes, Bailly was far worse for the first goal. It was really poor defending, both in his initial defending and letting his man go.
How dare you be so reasonable?
I thought Bailly and Darmian were more 'eye-catchingly' at fault for the goal but you can't argue with Rio's take on what a CB should and shouldn't be doing.
He's really not. He'll put together a good run of games when fit. Unfortunately, he is often not fit. Will go long periods on the injured list then take a few more games to play himself into form. I don't think he's at all worth what we pay him or the time we invest in him.
Yeah, I agree with all of that, but even when fit he's very error-prone.
It was only one header which put us in danger and he did lose out to Tom Davies a couple of times, nevertheless he defended pretty well today and was excellent in possession
He gave the ball away twice in which Everton would have definitely scored if not for De Gea. He's an accident waiting to happen in future games, and then Jose will shift to Smalling or Rojo
I remember it happening once off a header...what was the second time?
Yeah like I said on another day it could have cost us, and all it takes is one defensive mistake.
At top level for an ambitious club, few mistakes within a game is just too much. Stoke game he was decent bar the costly mistake, so it's still acceptable. This game however, he's all over the place with his defending. Stupid clearance and switched off at times.
Yep I agree, on another day that would have led to gifting them a goal or two
How many top class defenders do you know that go a game without making a mistake? Nevertheless he held his own today and popped up in moments we needed him to clear the danger.
How is that?
That wasn't the point, this is a thread to discuss his performances, and his performance today could have led to a goal or two. That's all I said.
Exactly. That's puzzled me as well.
Disagree. Young did well for his side. We clearly gamble with leaving Rashford then Lingard further up the pitch with no defensive duty. Jones clearly at fault for his shaky defending beside the duel. No one else to blame. IIRC, another Rooney chanc (where somehow Bailly's tackle missed), Jones clearly switched off and let Rooney, his initial mark, to go free.
They constantly sent crosses in on that side and brought it down successfully in good position because Young positioned himself too high upfield. Jones constantly had to come out to harry them before Young got back, compared to Bailey who had feck all to do on the other side. It wasn't his best game but it's naive to say that was all down to him. When he had a positionally disciplined LB like Blind next to him he plays much better because he doesn't have to second guess his option.
But stops he made today would have lead to a goal should he not have done it. I see your point you are making with the 1 mistake he made, but if we were to judge defenders solely based off of the mistakes they made per game, there would be no good defenders left in the world. You have to take into account both the good and bad and today the good Jones did definitely outweighed the bad. Thus, in my opinion, I can come to the conclusion that he had a more than solid game.
I am sorry but I suspect you talk in cliche. Everton didn't cross the ball that much. They try to stretch play that side seeing Rashford was allowed to stay up front most of the time; to draw Young out and attack the space where Jones should be covering. This should be no problem for Jones in his good day vs Rooney. Instead Jones today lost too many one vs one and at times switched off and let Rooney run off him (off ball). Davies played on our right side is also needed to be taken into account. Sirgudsson for all his end product quality is not as good as Davies in term of linking up play, and off ball movement.
You are blowing this so out of proportion. Young did lots of space in behind though which of course is going to be burdersome on both him and Matic because then they have to look after multiple spaces at once which opens up our play. You are just making up a bunch of lies to cover up Young's lack of positional sense.
