Very unlucky, don't blame him for staying, just strikingly obvious bad business at the time.
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Phil Jones Future | Reports: Observing United academy sessions
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It's not his to give, the club can just take it off him. Which they would have, if Varane really cared about it. And that's assuming the reports were true, which they likely weren't.
I had some sympathy / respect for Jones up to a certain point but when he turned down that 6 month loan move to Bordeaux that all went away. Just pathetic really.
Fair play to him, people judging the guy for raking in the money are deluded. You don't need to have sympathy, but the guy has had horrific injuries, put his body on the line when needed (probably did him more harm to be fair) and I don't think there is a single person here who would have turned down 5 to 10m a year. He probably thought he could turn it around given his age. It's not my money, I'm glad he stole off teh glazers, it's not like it would have been reinvested.
He could have at least given back the 4 shirt. It's a small gesture and might seem insignificant but it doesn't speak well to his character for me.
It'll be free next season when his pointless 2019 contract finally runs out.
It'll be free next season when his pointless 2019 contract finally runs out.
We can but that's not how they do things. He was asked to give it up for Varane and he refused.You dont think the club can just take the number?
According to the Daily Mail, yes
Our number 4 shirt is a cursed number for decades now. Bullet dodged there. Varane is already injury prone. Wearing 4 may as well turn him into the French Phil Jones.
After Steve Bruce, it has been cursed with injuries (David May, Gabriel Heinze, Owen Hargreaves) and high profile flop (Veron).
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Who cares.
Tell that to Cavani and Martial
Willian's got the desire to find his happiness by playing for Gremio and fight back from adversity didn't he. Phil didn't take up the loan to a French club last season. Would have still pocketed his United wages and doing some actual work.
That's the obvious difference.
People find the weirdest juastfications to be mad with Jones. Career derailed by injurues, reduced to a meme, abused while out with his kids? Well I would sympathise but I've chosen to believe this tabloid story about him refusing to give up his shirt number/he didn't do like a perfectly fit player in a completely different situation/didn't just give up his last big paycheck.
Yes, in the knowledge that his body was fine and wasn’t going to breakdown. I don’t really care about defending Phil Jones, but your example only works if Willian was a complete crock too.
Very weird indeed.
Oh yeah come to Bordeaux, in league 2, where you will be backup to our centre backs. Meanwhile there’s a new coach coming in to old Trafford who will look at everyone. I can see why he was dying to go.
just pathetic really
They were Ligue 1 when the offer came through.
And so what if it was a back up offer (I'm not sure if it was really) - it's hardly like he was playing week in week out here.
And new coach? Rangnick came in October. The offer came in towards the end of Jan.
It's just weak minded and weak willed from Jones (and yes it is pathetic really). I find it hard to square your defence for Jones considering your criticism of Lindelof - a player that's far more available for United and has much higher quality.
Highest quality? The only thing that stopped Jones playing far more games than Lindelof was being able to stay fit and uninjured. He has more defensive ability and strength in one snapped tendon than Lindelof has in his whole body
Rangnick was still a new boss to impress, no?
re the loan, there were tweets at the time from the club saying he’d backup their 2 CBs
Why would he go from the bench at United to the bench of a struggling French club?
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I said higher quality, not highest. And yes it’s all well and good saying if he wasn’t injured but that’s the whole bloody point with Phil Jones.
Back to the original point - it's just an unambitious mentality from Jones, and comes across as pathetic and weak willed.
Maybe he didn’t want to move abroad? Players don’t go in to hibernation and wake up just to play. He has family, friends, and a life, already in place. Moving to another country, even if temporarily, isn’t a decision you take lightly. Especially for a player that’s hardly played a game for years and is essentially going through constant rehabilitation. I don’t blame him one bit for not going.
I’d argue that it shows belief that he thought he’d get a chance to prove himself at United and not sit in a French bench. I’d say that’s strong willed.
anyway, why does it annoy you so much? He will clearly be released in the summer and good luck to him. Let’s not forget all of those injuries came from United, it’s not that he’s faking them
Really? I think that's massively hopeful of you to believe that considering the amount of games he's played (the game where Rangnick had him starting against Wolves I think was his first appearance for 18 months). The guy has not a run of consistent game time since Mourinho's first season which says it all.
If I were in his shoes and I had the chance, however small, to actually get some playing time and all I had to do was take a short flight to France for a few months, I'd definitely take it. New environment, fresh start etc etc.
It doesn't annoy me, but it's a discussion forum and I'm free to comment on it (and I haven't said he's faking anything).
Blame Woodward and Judge for him still being here. Him getting 4+1 year deal in 2019 was one of the worst decisions the cIub has made. It should have been 2+1 really.
And Jones has about as much existence within the realms of United as Mr.No 11 does. Barely acknowledged to the point you forget he’s there.
I’m curious to know exactly what is happening right now with Jones, whether he’s sitting in the house counting the money Woodward and Judge gave him or whether he’s training with the academy or something. He hasn’t been snapped training with the first team this season.
No-one knows if he’s downtrodden by the injuries and the fact he’s a meme, or he’s just laughing like a moustache twirling villain as he collects money doing nothing and spits on the name of United and it’s fans. I do know you’d be pretty stupid to turn down that money for that long, which was negligently offered to him in my opinion, but that’s all about to come to an end.
So feck you Ed Woodward you wannabe hotshot football administrator.
And Jones has about as much existence within the realms of United as Mr.No 11 does. Barely acknowledged to the point you forget he’s there.
I’m curious to know exactly what is happening right now with Jones, whether he’s sitting in the house counting the money Woodward and Judge gave him or whether he’s training with the academy or something. He hasn’t been snapped training with the first team this season.
No-one knows if he’s downtrodden by the injuries and the fact he’s a meme, or he’s just laughing like a moustache twirling villain as he collects money doing nothing and spits on the name of United and it’s fans. I do know you’d be pretty stupid to turn down that money for that long, which was negligently offered to him in my opinion, but that’s all about to come to an end.
So feck you Ed Woodward you wannabe hotshot football administrator.
Your obsession with Lindelof and your vigour defense of Jones is pretty funny to be fair.
Yeah but players who value their careers do it all the time. United got Sabitzer to move to another country for just 5 months in less than 24 hours.
Where he knew that he was coming to play
it was on Twitter at the time, the coach of Bordeaux saying that he would be backup to their 2 CBs. Don’t blame him for not wanting to swap out bench for theirs
He's fit though and will expect to play. Jones would be injured within days probably and then just facing same rehab except abroad with worse facilities. Don't blame him.
He's on wind down and club backed him with a contract, don't see problem with him sitting on it.
Surely being back up to 2 CBs has a higher chance of playing time than 6th CB here? We had Maguire, Varane, Lindelof, Bailly, and Tuanzebe on our books at the time of the offer.
Wasn't Bordeaux like the worst defensive team in Ligue 1 last season? He wouldn't have a problem playing if he stayed fit as he did for the 2nd half of last season. He could've tried to resurrect his career last year if he really wanted.
It's no laughing matter. I hope GB gets the help he sorely needs very soon
Your obsession with Lindelof and your vigour defense of Jones is pretty funny to be fair.
I love that he spends half of time here attacking anyone who dares says something bad about Jones, and spends the remaining half talking shit about Lindelof.It's no laughing matter. I hope GB gets the help he sorely needs very soon
The only explanation is that he is Jones mum, and Lindelof once shat on his handbag.
This
I think it’s about this time every year I ask when Jones contract expires
And every year the response is “this summer” but it never actually does
Does anyone know when it actually expires for real? Include all options because United will trigger them again
And every year the response is “this summer” but it never actually does
Does anyone know when it actually expires for real? Include all options because United will trigger them again
It does come across a bit soccer mum at the school gates asking why her son isn't getting picked for the school team.
Typical Lindelof, couldn’t even aim straight to shit in geebs’ handbag!
It should have been 0+0
But he's finished and knows it.
Had he taken the Bordeaux option nothing would have changed. He wouldn't be making the move to play like Willian. He'd have just been injured in France instead of England.
I can't have too much sympathy for somebody earning millions for literally doing nothing but the comparison with Willian is a bit off.
Would imagine his only option is to end up somewhere like Salford City and try to "play" without the heavy training requirements. If he can still play?
He played 13 times in the last 4 years. His contract should be torn ages ago and compensated for it by some mutual termination.
Of course he's weak willed and just there for the paycheck our very own Winston Bogarde.
Of course he's weak willed and just there for the paycheck our very own Winston Bogarde.
No what I dislike is people giving over the top abuse to a player who injured himself very badly many times in the defence of United. His skills or his desire were not in question.
Lindelof on the other hand, from day dot I’ve said he’s not good enough for United. He’s not a defender that raises the team. He’s too passive and he lacks some of the basic attributes of top level defenders.
that and him and Maguire play the most frustrating slow ball sideways between themselves and DeGea.
we’ve all seen the difference that top level defenders can make. Taking heading as an example, our new garden gnome (Martinez) wins more headers than Lindelof, due to his timing and more aggressive nature. Despite him being much shorter.
I fail to understand why after 6 years people still think he should be a first team pick.