gooDevil
Worst scout ever
I'm not big on details, you'll have to excuse me.
Yes, but Darren Fletcher was rubbish in 2006, I wouldn't say that Phil Jones was rubbish by any means.I often think of Darren Fletcher's development in regards to Jones. People would cringe to see him in midfield and I have to admit that back in 2006 I didn't see him as a future first team regular and quite excellent midfielder.
Who knows exactly how Jones will develop, but he has years and years to perfect his art.
Nothing wrong with being a midfield 'destroyer', in fact I have said often that we lack one. Plus I think Jones can be more than just that anyway.I'm in the "great potential" camp.
But let's get this sorted out once and for all. To borrow a line from Bones, Phil Jones is a center-back, not a central midfielder. The boy can do the proverbial job in midfielder when called upon, but you're just not going to see amazing creative play from him there and I hope next season is the last season where we see him deployed there. The man is a destroyer, not a creator, although he has shown us some pretty good stuff marauding up the flank from the RB position.
But as a mid against Brasil, in Brasil? That's asking a lot of him, probably too much. That said, Jonesey actually acquitted himself quite well yesterday -- under the circumstances.
And Fletcher never became and excellent midfielder. He became a good one.Yes, but Darren Fletcher was rubbish in 2006, I wouldn't say that Phil Jones was rubbish by any means.
Semantics. In Britain it seems if you're captain of Scotland and a first team player for United you're 'good'.And Fletcher never became and excellent midfielder. He became a good one.
In terms of people playing the sport, then yes; he's excellent. In terms of professional footballers he's good. Don't see what's so bad about that. Excellent means 'unusually good'. That he is not. That's Robin van Persie or Rooney.Semantics. In Britain it seems if you're captain of Scotland and a first team player for United you're 'good'.
I'd say that's understating it.
Well, I can only speak for myself and I never doubted Fletch would turn into a fine midfielder. I've yet to see anything from Jones to suggest the same. I'm very unsure of his awareness and, somewhat strangely given all the talk of him being captain material, there's something so timid about him when deployed in midfield. He never seeks possession, in fact at times it looks as though he deliberately messes up angles so as not to receive a pass. What I do like about Jones the midfielder is his brilliant timing when arriving in the oppo's box and obviously he's a good destroyer.Well I never saw Fletcher at 19-21, so I can't comment there. But at 22 I didn't think he looked like he could go on to be the player he did. One person who did though was Fergie, who happens to see something special in Jones too.
But I'm not comparing Jones the midfield to Fletcher the midfielder, just illustrating the various paths player development can take.
Not going to happen until Rio or Vidic leave.Needs to be played in a position and kept there to become a top player.
Our midfield needs him even more.Our defence needs him bad.
Hasn't regressed at all, but probably hasn't pushed on as we thought he would. Bear in mind though he's 22 - Cahill and Jagielka weren't even close to the England set up at that age. Has all the tools to be a top player at United with more regular football likely next season.I hate to say it, but I think he's regressed massively since we first signed him.
Yeah when we signed him he was as a great right back.I hate to say it, but I think he's regressed massively since we first signed him.
I think he has though, in his first season he looked comfortable on the ball and a good option at right back. Thesedays he just looks so uncomfortable when the balls anywhere near his feet.Hasn't regressed at all, but probably hasn't pushed on as we thought he would. Bear in mind though he's 22 - Cahill and Jagielka weren't even close to the England set up at that age. Has all the tools to be a top player at United with more regular football likely next season.