Many weird thing happen in Manchester, things like giving Rashford an option to sit out Euros and then have the surgery once the season starts and have him miss few months, despite being Manchester United player, and not being under contract with England national team or whatever.That happened in Manchester.
I already addressed that point. First if you have a grade 2 or 3 tear it's not a standard tear and you will have to see a specialist unless you are lucky and the club main doctor is a specialist in severe muscle injuries but that's true for all injuries. And the point of not rehabing at the club is mainly for comfort and convenience for the club, injured players are isolated, it's not a great experience and rehabing in places like Florida or Dubai can be better from a mental standpoint.Are you 100% sure its not just a case of Pogba liking a holiday in Dubai?
I mean if its a hamstring tear I'm sure the staff at United know how to rehab that. It's a fairly standard injury. Or if not I'm sure there are specialists closer than 4000 miles away.
Manchester United do not have the best medical facilities in the world and they also don't have the best medical staff either. That one is none starter, no Football clubs are currently in that situation.Many weird thing happen in Manchester, things like giving Rashford an option to sit out Euros and then have the surgery once the season starts and have him miss few months, despite being Manchester United player, and not being under contract with England national team or whatever.
It's obviously very clear that players here do whatever they want and it's also quite clear that Pogba likes his Dubai more than Manchester, and if we keep allowing things like that player power will continue to be a thing here under every manager.
I am pretty sure there were many articles how Manchester United football clubs have one of the best medical facilities in the world, so Dubai argument is highly questionable, especially for healing a groin that generally isn't a long term injury from what I know.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/news/story/_/id/1746617/manchester-united-unveil-new-medical-facilityManchester United do not have the best medical facilities in the world and they also don't have the best medical staff either. That one is none starter, no Football clubs are currently in that situation.
I think you're being very generous and Rangnick believes in the exact opposite to what you've just said.I already addressed that point. First if you have a grade 2 or 3 tear it's not a standard tear and you will have to see a specialist unless you are lucky and the club main doctor is a specialist in severe muscle injuries but that's true for all injuries. And the point of not rehabing at the club is mainly for comfort and convenience for the club, injured players are isolated, it's not a great experience and rehabing in places like Florida or Dubai can be better from a mental standpoint.
And the next manager might disagree with that and change it back.I think you're being very generous and Rangnick believes in the exact opposite to what you've just said.
"My former clubs were always trying to make sure the rehab should take place in the club itself," said Rangnick.
"As far as I can tell the medical department is really good, very good, with many different approaches towards rehab. I would not want players to do their rehab abroad or anywhere else, but the decision on Paul was taken before I came.
"In the future, and I have already spoken to the medical department, I want players with injuries, and hopefully we don't get long-term injuries, but if we have them in the future I want them to stay here."
I'm with Ralf on this one. His former clubs and now United want players rehabbing at the club.
The for a Football club is the key part, Football clubs don't have have the best facilities in sports and they don't have better facilities than many private complexes in the World either.https://www.espn.com/soccer/news/story/_/id/1746617/manchester-united-unveil-new-medical-facility
“It's a wonderful facility, something which we can show off to new players when they come in,'' Moyes added. “They will have the best medical facilities at a football club in Europe, and probably the world.
“It's something which will make a big difference to the club. Undoubtedly it will help us get players on the field quicker more often and in turn we should have less injuries as well.''
In theory there is no problem if you have the capacities to do it and if you can do it while maintaining players moral high. But as I said, it's not actually a one sided answer, for example someone mentioned De Bruyne, he did part of his rehab in Barcelona and has he mentioned himself the most difficult part was mental.I think you're being very generous and Rangnick believes in the exact opposite to what you've just said.
"My former clubs were always trying to make sure the rehab should take place in the club itself," said Rangnick.
"As far as I can tell the medical department is really good, very good, with many different approaches towards rehab. I would not want players to do their rehab abroad or anywhere else, but the decision on Paul was taken before I came.
"In the future, and I have already spoken to the medical department, I want players with injuries, and hopefully we don't get long-term injuries, but if we have them in the future I want them to stay here."
I'm with Ralf on this one. His former clubs and now United want players rehabbing at the club.
Are you in the football industry?The for a Football club is the key part, Football clubs don't have have the best facilities in sports and they don't have better facilities than many private complexes in the World either.
In theory there is no problem if you have the capacities to do it and if you can do it while maintaining players moral high. But as I said, it's not actually a one sided answer, for example someone mentioned De Bruyne, he did part of his rehab in Barcelona and has he mentioned himself the most difficult part was mental.
And the problem is with the bolded part, his point is sensible with short term injuries but it starts being a problem when you are talking about long term injuries. Because you need to manage the mental side of things, if Rangnick has answers to the lack of mental stimualtion of isolated players then why not, but he would be one of the few people that have answered it without a change of environment.
All good points. My father had Alzheimer's, nasty disease for the relativesJust as an after thought is it maybe not better to have players with injuries that take a while to get over away from the club?
As someone mentioned above KDB in Barcelona was to help with the mental side of recovery and it was certainly printed as such for Pogba by many papers initially for going to Dubai.
Also with Pogbas contract issues maybe being separated from players would hinder any negativity he may have and could potentially affect his team mates?
I'm just thinking out loud here but there are many reasons for players being away from actual club facilities. Not least the availability of the best experts in the field of particular injuries, I'm thinking the American fella who almost all players go to with serious leg injuries such as acl.
The mental health issue is often spoken about by clubs, players/managers, when looking at long term injuries. I'm sure being in Manchester wouldn't help with the weather and even facilities and amenities that places like Dubai or Barcelona have to offer?
Many years ago I suffered with an injury that lead to needing regular physio and put a stop to my sporting dreams. I didn't have access to the best facilities, just the local hospital, and the physio etc was incredibly boring and I was not in a good place. I ended up in my country of origin for 3 months due to condition of my grandfather and just the weather and day to day interactions helped loads. I came back really refreshed even though it wasn't a holiday as such. Just looking after my grandad who had Alzheimer's
. Pogba was in Dubai because he likes going to Dubai.
Yeah really horrible. I've seen it twice now in close family (grandad and uncle). Soul destroying for families to see loved ones go through it.All good points. My father had Alzheimer's, nasty disease for the relatives
Footballers in general like going there. Not just United players. It's not my type of place but I can see why it appeals to extremely wealthy people. I'm guessing the club likes to align itself with extremely wealthy states.Is this true?
I'm only asking as there seems to be a link between Dubai and Man UTD. In f at isnt there a university of Manchester in Dubai?
Under Ole we undertook warm weather training there.
Likes of Sancho went there before joining us. Beckham was there for some retro shirt signings etc
Is there a huge adidas thing there too?
I'm not sure it's a player liking a place. Not suggesting you here but there is always a narrative around Pogba. I mean just look at the 500k a week stories. Even the player has come out and said no but it's still being persisted with.
Edit: just did a quick Google search on man UTD and Dubai and there does seem to be a link, don't know what though.
A lot of our players go there it seems. Even Ighalo was there after leaving us and the women's team use it too.
Just piqued my curiousity that there is a university of Manchester there, a huge supporters club for us, some adidas thing and not to forget our owners went there to try and buy ipl clubs. And a lot if our players go there at different times including our warm weather training.Footballers in general like going there. Not just United players. It's not my type of place but I can see why it appeals to extremely wealthy people.
I'm not even against a long term injured players having a holiday for a week or two. Yeah a change and sun is good for mental health, same reason we all go away.
But let's call it what it is. It's a holiday.
When it starts to go beyond a couple of weeks I'm glad the club are now bringing an end to it.
If Dubai does have the best of the best I'd be asking for my money back because Pogba sure does take a long time to recover these days.
The Escorts are way better than Manchester I expect.Footballers in general like going there. Not just United players. It's not my type of place but I can see why it appeals to extremely wealthy people.
Also Miami, Ibiza, Fuerteventura, Maldives have top top facilitiesFunny how the best facilities always seem to be where the sun is.
Those aren't obscure details, the same way you know that Pogba went to Dubai you will know that De Bruyne went to Barcelona, Kane to the Bahamas(2020), Messi to Argentina and the list is actually endless. When it comes to the mental toll and isolation for injured players, it's also a known reality injured players are on different schedules and generally isolated. And it's also well known that clubs and athletes routinely seek the help of medical specialists around the world when it comes to severe injuries, they are perfectly able to take care of minor injuries like your GP could take care of minor illnesses but it's not the same story for major injuries/illnesses, even two orthopedic surgeons aren't the same.Are you in the football industry?
Because everytime we discuss you seem to know the complete inner workings of a football club. Down to pretty obscure details. With 100% certainty. You must have experience of working in one. I mean how do you actually know the medical department isn't capable of fully rehabilitating Pogba's injury. How do you know what Pogba's injury is? How do you know what approach clubs and medical departments take in terms of sending players abroad for treatment? How do you know that approach is the same or not at all clubs?
Ultimately Rangnick, highly experienced and currently the manager of Manchester United, says the exact opposite to yourself.
Obviously I've got to go with Ralf and my initial assessment. Pogba was in Dubai because he likes going to Dubai. Same as De Bruyne being in Barcelona.
For us I'm really pleased Rangnick seems to be getting a grip of these guys. The tail has been wagging the dog for too long.
Don't bother mate. I've been trying to say that for a while, as well as asking stuff I don't know is true such as commercial value to the club of players being there.The way it was reported at the time, he didn't just decide to catch the first flight to Dubai as soon as he got injured. He was sent there by the club, accompanied by a member of the medical staff, presumably because someone thought it would speed up his recovery.
Also regarding Rangnick former club when Forsberg had his groin injury, he didn't stay in Leipzig but went to Austria.
I know it is, though some seem to think that it's special.Don't know if any folk on here listen to podcast regularly, of the Ben foster one or them guys on the golf course etc. But teams and individuals being sent abroad etc is very common.
It is Pogba though. If he said water is wet there would be a problemI know it is, though some seem to think that it's special.
It's not a problem especially nnw Rangnick has brought it to an end. But I'm gald we eventually got there. Pogba picked his rehab/holiday destination and he did so because he liked the place.Those aren't obscure details, the same way you know that Pogba went to Dubai you will know that De Bruyne went to Barcelona, Kane to the Bahamas(2020), Messi to Argentina and the list is actually endless. When it comes to the mental toll and isolation for injured players, it's also a known reality injured players are on different schedules and generally isolated. And it's also well known that clubs and athletes routinely seek the help of medical specialists around the world when it comes to severe injuries, they are perfectly able to take care of minor injuries like your GP could take care of minor illnesses but it's not the same story for major injuries/illnesses, even two orthopedic surgeons aren't the same.
And yes he picked Dubai because he likes it, is that a problem? Should athletes pick places they don't like?
Exactly, look at how many fans still say Fergie didn't like or want Pogba despite Evra and Rio being amongst people he personally sent to pursuade Pogba to stay.Don't bother mate. I've been trying to say that for a while, as well as asking stuff I don't know is true such as commercial value to the club of players being there.
There is a narrative against Pogba that doesn't change regardless of what is said/reported. Just look at the 500 quid a week wages thing.
Pogba had an hamstring strain, the only thing that I don't know is the grade.The initial reports suggested that he would be out until new year which suggest a severe strain so likely grade 3. And no one suggested that Pogba didn't pick the place because he liked it, that's a strange point to argue since there were other destinations, the same way Shaw and Matic probably picked Dubai among several options in 2019. But the point still stands that players with long injuries don't really spend the entirety of their rehab in a single place, it doesn't happen in any professional sport.It's not a problem especially nnw Rangnick has brought it to an end. But I'm gald we eventually got there. Pogba picked his rehab/holiday destination and he did so because he liked the place.
But the stuff you comment on about football club processes is mainly guesswork. You can't possibly know this stuff. You don't even know what Pogba's injury is never mind where he should go for appropriate treatment. Re injury rehab the current manager says the club now operates in the opposite manner to what you described.
Can we drop this nonsense now that United's staff can't rehab a muscle tear and footballers will have a psychological breakdown if they mostly rehab where they live.
Edit: we won't because it's a Pogba thread so everything has to be irrational.
Makes you wonder the amount of grief pogba and his agent have caused the club over the years with little pushback. Now most of the squad have no fear of authoritySick of Pogba
So so Sick of Glazers.
Sick of being awful and full of uncommitted owners and players.
The fans are stuck in limbo
It’s not Pogba or Minos fault. I almost used to think it was. “If we just made an example of PP or Mino it would lead to better times” That’s not what’s wrong. It’s the owners being absent and offering a raise to everyone who wants to stay around but knowing what they know, even the most unhappy players that no other club will offer the same to. You need to be catching talent on the way up and developing it, marketing and all. Like a record label. Not just signing some ok, unhappy or past it dude and milking it till it’s obvious to everyone it’s beyond gone. It’s no fun being the MySpace of football. It would be so much easier if they kept taking the same amount of cash but fecked off and left the same kind of money on the table to someone smarter than them to run it. That would work better eventually.
Maybe he was treated in Austria because of RB Salzburg.Also regarding Rangnick former club when Forsberg had his groin injury, he didn't stay in Leipzig but went to Austria.
it’s the ownersWant him out of the club desperately so the cultural rebuild can start afresh.
Sadly I think the contract will be renewed so the new management will be hampered from the get go.
