Glorio
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I edge towards Rio even if I feel the gap is not as large as some might be making out.
Yeh winning 3 leagues, 4 CLs and a World Cup is a long way to go. I prefer Ferdinand, but Varane can’t be seen as far off purely based on what he’s won.this thread
Varane is very good, but he has a long way before reaching Ferdinand's level and proving himself here.
Jonathan Greening is a better player than Kevin De Bruyne on that ridiculous logic.Yeh winning 3 leagues, 4 CLs and a World Cup is a long way to go. I prefer Ferdinand, but Varane can’t be seen as far off purely based on what he’s won.
Maybe that came out the wrong way. He was a great defender but his popularity came from his overrall attributes more than defending. I’ll say prime Varane Pepe would be a more solid defence than any combination with Ramos.what on earth
Maybe that came out the wrong way. He was a great defender but his popularity came from his overrall attributes more than defending. I’ll say prime Varane Pepe would be a more solid defence than any combination with Ramos.
Ferdinand is being overrated in this thread.Vidic in 2008 was better than Ferdinand IMO.
Wrong.Maybe that came out the wrong way. He was a great defender but his popularity came from his overrall attributes more than defending. I’ll say prime Varane Pepe would be a more solid defence than any combination with Ramos.
Ferdinand is being overrated in this thread.Vidic in 2008 was better than Ferdinand IMO.
Yes because Greening was a starting player if you’re going to criticise someone logic maybe don’t be ridiculous yourself.Jonathan Greening is a better player than Kevin De Bruyne on that ridiculous logic.
Woodgate’s injury problems were so unfortunate. Have no doubt he’d be up there with Rio, Terry, Vidic in the best PL defenders debate.Rio, 100%.
I think his legacy was somewhat tarnished by his cringy ‘merked’ persona of circa 2006 - he epitomised class on the pitch but the caricature he was off it for a time prejudiced people’s perception of him.
Him and Woodgate were the closest thing England has produced to elite continental style defenders - Nesta was the gold standard at that time, but they were two who you watched who oozed class.
Nothing wrong with my comprehension skills, you didn't say that. You said "Yeh winning 3 leagues, 4 CLs and a World Cup is a long way to go. I prefer Ferdinand, but Varane can’t be seen as far off purely based on what he’s won".Yes because Greening was a starting player if you’re going to criticise someone logic maybe don’t be ridiculous yourself.
I didn’t say Varane was better, if you’d like to use your eyes and read. I said you can’t say ‘he’s far off Ferdinand and has a lot to prove’ if he was a starting centre back winning the biggest trophies in the game. Basic comprehension might help you out some day mate.
You talking 07/08 or 08/09?Ferdinand is being overrated in this thread.Vidic in 2008 was better than Ferdinand IMO.
Stam too.Woodgate’s injury problems were so unfortunate. Have no doubt he’d be up there with Rio, Terry, Vidic in the best PL defenders debate.
Ledley King, too. What a colossus of a player he was.
Yes but it’s based on the basic understanding that Varane is a fantastic CB and has been for much of his career. We know he started for all those cups and medals. You quite literally can’t be a starting CB and not be fantastic to have won that much. It’s different if it’s the one off. It’s not like bloody Wes Morgan.Nothing wrong with my comprehension skills, you didn't say that. You said "Yeh winning 3 leagues, 4 CLs and a World Cup is a long way to go. I prefer Ferdinand, but Varane can’t be seen as far off purely based on what he’s won".
Greening has won the Champions League, De Bruyne has not. It is an extreme example but shows why using medals to judge a player is ridiculous logic.
He hasn't won a trophy at the level Greening has though.Yes but it’s based on the basic understanding that Varane is a fantastic CB and has been for much of his career. We know he started for all those cups and medals. You quite literally can’t be a starting CB and not be fantastic to have won that much. It’s different if it’s the one off. It’s not like bloody Wes Morgan.
Your extreme example isn’t even extreme it’s just not comparable. KDB has still won multiple trophies as a starter.
Lot of foreign fans will say Varane simply because of how much they despise the English.They're very, very similar I think. I think Varane would be rated higher if he played in the 2000s.
Jesus. Varane is well above the mean for elite level defenders with regards to his mistakes causing turnovers, his pass completion rate, he very rarely loses the ball.The disrespect to Rio, good grief.
Varane is a wonderful player but has he actually ever been the best CB in any side he's been in?
Ramos was better at Madrid
Umtiti was better when France won the WC in 2018
Lisandro is better now I'd say
Think part of it is Varane has always been poor to mediocre with the ball at his feet, which limits his ceiling in a way that never applied to Rio.
I'm EnglishLot of foreign fans will say Varane simply because of how much they despise the English.
No way. Vidic was a monster but (dare I say this) he was only allowed to be the monster he was because of Rio. They both served different roles but Rio had the more technical and difficult task.Maybe that came out the wrong way. He was a great defender but his popularity came from his overrall attributes more than defending. I’ll say prime Varane Pepe would be a more solid defence than any combination with Ramos.
Ferdinand is being overrated in this thread.Vidic in 2008 was better than Ferdinand IMO.