- Feb 11, 2014
I like martial, but 2 league goals this season is shocking for a guy on 200k and that needs to be sorted.
At this point, I'm more surprised when they're not offside. When Rashford was offside for that late corner, I nearly laughed. When he had the ball on the counter before that, I had no faith that we were going to score from it. If it was Bruno and Cavani on the other hand...Their problem is that the coaching staff havent fixed their offside / timing runs issue for several years now. It's embarrassing. Such a basic skill to learn. Maybe loan them out to Leicester to learn from vardy. Ffs...
Martial is 25. Study time is over.The more I see it, I don't think we can continue to play the two of them together. Sure both of them are still learning, but as Pogue alludes to you need to have a balance of experience and youth. Rashford and Martial are both really inconsistent (and I don't think they've got more consistent). There's only so much longer can you can continue an experiment before coming to a conclusion.
I think it’s because they are quite similar we are easier to defend against. They are always trying to score the perfect goal and have no desire to get into the 6 yard box and gamble or tussle with centre backs. It’s ok for a counter attacking team but it didn’t work today. If Pogba keeps up this form and commitment and somehow stays then I’d be all over Haaland too. Better the devil you know I suppose...The more I see it, I don't think we can continue to play the two of them together. Sure both of them are still learning, but as Pogue alludes to you need to have a balance of experience and youth. Rashford and Martial are both really inconsistent (and I don't think they've got more consistent). There's only so much longer can you can continue an experiment before coming to a conclusion.
This is the key, the context of our play which people are missing. We are not imposing ourselves in big games. One poster replied saying we had three of the games best chances, having three chances and the team imposing themselves is almost mutually exclusive. Burnley or WBA can create chances but the frequency and the manner in which they are created is what differentiates them from a Bayern / City etc.They were as much of an issue to United’s play today as Sane and co were for Liverpool. Game wasn’t a match for attackers to shine, we created next to nothing and none of our good chances fell to our attackers. You’d honestly think they‘d both missed a few sitters by the reactions in here.
Salah/Firminho can afford to be poor. They have won a league title, champions league title, etc. They have enough credits in the bank to be poor.People complaining about Rashford-Martial being extremely poor today, yet Maguire and Shaw utterly cancelled Salah-Firmino off.
Yet he still scored 29 goals in 74 apps in a team with Cantona and Hughes in it. Also had two broken legs during this period.Worth remembering that Cole's form during his first two years was as bad as Martial's this season. Between January 95, when he signed, and the winter of 97 when he scored that hat-trick against Barnsley, he couldn't hit a barndoor - in fact I thought of him when Martial was missing those chances the other night.
Also, RVN's spell at the club coincided with a dip in the team's form. We won the league for three consecutive years before he arrived and three consecutive years after, but we only won one in six when he was around. So having a '9' doesn't necessarily bring success.
Not disagreeing that Martial is struggling (I've said previously in this thread that it might be best to get rid) but some of the arguments against him seem a bit OTT.
Well he had a good season last one but has inexplicably reverted to being shit this one. He carries no goal threat. Maybe he will have a strong second half to the season.....we need it if we are going to sustain a challenge.A year ago I'd get really defensive over Martial (I was never really in either fanboy camp), but I'm starting to feel the same way
We will NEVER win the league with Rashford and Martial on the pitch. Nothing has changed really in 7 years - we still need world class strikers, and it has taken the arrival of Cavani to show them both up for their lack of ability.Rashford and martial need conpetition to improve.. right bow neither is good enough. Ifnwe win thebleague with them upfront than ole truly is a miracle worker
Nah in fairness they were both a big reason we finished third last season (and that’s coming from somebody who is critical of both, especially Martial.)We will NEVER win the league with Rashford and Martial on the pitch. Nothing has changed really in 7 years - we still need world class strikers, and it has taken the arrival of Cavani to show them both up for their lack of ability.
You also need to include Greenwood in that statement. I can’t remember a time when our supposed best three attackers have all been so off form. If anything is going to bring our chances of success this season to an end, I think it’s this situation.Martial did play better than Rashford today but it's a major issue having both in the team at the moment.