Because the club has brought him up, they own his playing rights, and pay his wages? He's vital part of the club and so is his playing career. Get the surgery, rest up, get stronger, and fight for your place. The club is respecting his wishes and considering his opinion, which seems to be against surgery for a variety of reasons we don't know about.Yeah, it's crazy. For any player. But it so happens this is a player who has played through the pain barrier for a season and a half and been run into the ground.
There's indecisiveness from both parties, and maybe more on Marcus's side. It makes no sense. Even if he decides against surgery, what's the process of treating the shoulder and rehab and strengthening it? He cannot be playing and getting treatment. Treatment and recovery is first and foremost, without the football training and playing.it's kind of crazy to me that he wasn't booked in for surgery the day after the Euros
I mean all the faffing about with consultations and wotnot could've been done months ago
He needed a vacation.....to calm down like every player after this coronavirus-season.it's kind of crazy to me that he wasn't booked in for surgery the day after the Euros
I mean all the faffing about with consultations and wotnot could've been done months ago
I get this "playing through the pain" notion, but there is definitely a line which should not be crossed. It therefore seems unlikely to me where if you are in that much pain that the player and club would let it persist for multiple months. But you are right, who knows what is really going on.according to reports he couldn't put his boots on in some matches in the last few months + of course the shoulder problems.
Just my opinion but Southgate would have used him much more if he would have been really fit.I get this "playing through the pain" notion, but there is definitely a line which should not be crossed. It therefore seems unlikely to me where if you are in that much pain that the player and club would let it persist for multiple months. But you are right, who knows what is really going on.
If the Club is in 100% control, Rashford should have never left for Euro. he should have his surgery right after the Europa final and rest for 6-8 weeks. It is never a problem on the surgery decision, it is about wasting 3 weeks after Euro, until everyone is back at work, to make a decision. Shouldn't that be done back in May? It sounds like those Moyes recruitment decision, I switch off my phone until Aug.Because the club has brought him up, they own his playing rights, and pay his wages? He's vital part of the club and so is his playing career. Get the surgery, rest up, get stronger, and fight for your place. The club is respecting his wishes and considering his opinion, which seems to be against surgery for a variety of reasons we don't know about.
The club is also has health insurance, player casualty insurance, etc all over him. It's not always as simple as surgery or no surgery because there are so many ramifications when decisions like this are made. It's why contracts and legal teams go through so much paperwork, especially when you're a player like Marcus's stature.
It's just a case of the romanticism around playing for England superseding actually taking care of himself. So he and MUFC are paying the price now.If the Club is in 100% control, Rashford should have never left for Euro. he should have his surgery right after the Europa final and rest for 6-8 weeks. It is never a problem on the surgery decision, it is about wasting 3 weeks after Euro, until everyone is back at work, to make a decision. Shouldn't that be done back in May? It sounds like those Moyes recruitment decision, I switch off my phone until Aug.
.If the Club is in 100% control, Rashford should have never left for Euro. he should have his surgery right after the Europa final and rest for 6-8 weeks. It is never a problem on the surgery decision, it is about wasting 3 weeks after Euro, until everyone is back at work, to make a decision. Shouldn't that be done back in May? It sounds like those Moyes recruitment decision, I switch off my phone until Aug.
Rotator cuff surgery for a footballer isn't as severe or risky as rotator cuff surgery for a baseball pitcher or cricket bowler for your throwing/bowling arm.I wonder how many of you have had elective surgeries. Surgeries are not as easy to recover from. There are a multitude of reasons why you hold off on them as much as possible. Pre-op prep, swelling management, post-op recovery, rehab, muscle training, football fitness... these are the steps. It takes time and it can be risky.
The reason Rashford was willing to wait it out was because he was hoping for there to be no need for it. No matter how far medicine has advanced, I assure you as someone coming from a family of doctors, that it's not straightforward. Especially with muscle injuries. He's had no time to rest his muscles for the waiting period to even start. For the first time in a long long time, Rashford finally relaxed away on holiday having gone through an injury laden, punishing season. You can only assess it now. So take it easy guys. There's more to this than what meets the eye.
Should never have gone to Euros, should have had surgery then holiday to recover. Wouldnt have happened under fergie.Him not being available due to surgery is not the issue here. Him going to Euros is also not a big deal but if he had played with injury then he probably should have not gone. Its just that he choose to go to holiday after Euros and now is in consultation to check if he needs surgery is bit annoying.
This is probably the truth of the matter. The club are probably thinking it didn't bother you during the Euros so why do you now need to have it done?Duncan Castles has dodgy reliability, at best, but it's seeming more possible that he might be right about the club not being happy that Rashford went to the Euros and now wants to have, what our doctors and the England doctors consider to be an elective surgery, during club time.
Ole said yesterday that the decision would be made in the coming days.Is he having that operation then?
It is not black or white situation. When you are a pro, you have responsibility towards you employer who pays your (huge) wages.I love the doctors in this thread saying Rashford should have missed the Euros and the chance to make history so he could have surgery early and play a couple of extra league games for us
Maybe Ole is expressing a bit of discontent there.Should have stopped after saying what is best for him Ole!!!!
Whilst I think he needs to get the surgery, especially as he is probably doing himself long term damage by not. He made an impression on the team last season whilst injured.If he and the club make that decision not to have the surgery, then I suppose he is fit and we can drop any excuses to his form due to 'injury'
If he wants to play injured, fine, but he needs to find a way to manage that and still make an impression on the team. Don't want him walking around and holding back on physical challenges.
It doesn’t risk his long term future. Every article says it isn’t going to get worse without surgery. It’s about whether he can manage the injury without impacting his performance due to the mobility issues it creates. One of the treatments is simply to rest - from what I’ve read surgery is rarely required for this injury - so I’d assume he’s been asked to take the three weeks off and then they’ll have another check to see if it’s made any impact before deciding to jump in to a course of action that could see him miss 12 weeks of football. It obviously isn’t the simple decision everyone on here and in the media makes it out to be - As per usual there’s nuance and context involved.Absolutely pointless him going to the Euros - and it's clear to anyone who has watched him regularly that he's needed time off/treatment for most of last season.
This is now getting to a worrying point where either we're willingly risking his long-term future or he's simply refusing to listen to experts.
Should have had the necessary operation months ago.
He did make an impression by scoring plenty I agree. But I also felt he didn't track back as much as his peers or get stuck in the defending as much when we needed him to.Whilst I think he needs to get the surgery, especially as he is probably doing himself long term damage by not. He made an impression on the team last season whilst injured.
Of course there's more to it than what we know, but what we can see isn't exactly promising.It doesn’t risk his long term future. Every article says it isn’t going to get worse without surgery. It’s about whether he can manage the injury without impacting his performance due to the mobility issues it creates. One of the treatments is simply to rest - from what I’ve read surgery is rarely required for this injury - so I’d assume he’s been asked to take the three weeks off and then they’ll have another check to see if it’s made any impact before deciding to jump in to a course of action that could see him miss 12 weeks of football. It obviously isn’t the simple decision everyone on here and in the media makes it out to be - As per usual there’s nuance and context involved.
They could've also scheduled the surgery for the week when he comes back from his three week holiday, and then if the injury turned out to be better they could've just cancelled it.It doesn’t risk his long term future. Every article says it isn’t going to get worse without surgery. It’s about whether he can manage the injury without impacting his performance due to the mobility issues it creates. One of the treatments is simply to rest - from what I’ve read surgery is rarely required for this injury - so I’d assume he’s been asked to take the three weeks off and then they’ll have another check to see if it’s made any impact before deciding to jump in to a course of action that could see him miss 12 weeks of football. It obviously isn’t the simple decision everyone on here and in the media makes it out to be - As per usual there’s nuance and context involved.
Well, if Rashford gets cold feet about the surgery, and what's best for the club is for him to have the surgery, you can bet Ole is going to put the pressure on Marcus to go through with it.Should have stopped after saying what is best for him Ole!!!!
That's not gonna go down well here. But I agree!Can't change the bad decisions of the past in relation to Rashfords health/fitness
He 100% needs to go into a season with a clean bill of health. If it is October so be it.
We've depth to cover him and Dan James is better than a half fit Rashford
