But he has already been replaced, we need to replace the one who may not play football again.
Rashford - New contract or sell?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Rashfords ego needs a check. A stint at a club like Everton should do him the world of good.
Since he got that doctorate he's never been the same.
Since he got that doctorate he's never been the same.
I don't think £45m would be wholly unachievable. Remember we sold a similarly overpaid and out of form Lukaku for £70m a few seasons ago.
Especially if it were structured as for example a £10m loan for the 22/23 season with a £35m obligation to purchase Summer 2023 (with us activating his year option on agreement).
Sell, sooner the better
Yikes. I voted to sell, but I didn't expect it to be this unanimous.
The question is whether the club would be willing to let him go. I suspect they'd consider a new £250k a week bumper deal the cost of keeping around a PR machine, but even that's faltering based on his recent antics.
The question is whether the club would be willing to let him go. I suspect they'd consider a new £250k a week bumper deal the cost of keeping around a PR machine, but even that's faltering based on his recent antics.
They've conned atleast 15% here, unless those people are rival fans taking the piss.
Sell, maybe he is just going through a rough patch but to just jog about like he couldn't care less is a bug enough reason to get rid and I'm sure we can can 50 million for him considering his phone supposedly hasn't stopped ringing with interest.
This, the reality I am afraid of is the club will want to keep him to prop up the club's pr machine to get some more sponsorships from the Asian Market and the next manager will be hired in the condition of having to start rashford and we will be in the same rinse and repeat position this club has been in post fergie of yes men managers and players having too much power/say
He would've probably been a career United player in the Fergie era, but sadly, that's not going to happen with this constant swapping of managers. Time to move on imo.
I'm not his biggest fan, far from it.
Selling our young players before they've reached there peak is poor business.
We should have never broken our wage structure, it's frankly ludacris.
Selling our young players before they've reached there peak is poor business.
We should have never broken our wage structure, it's frankly ludacris.
Fair. But I don't think his campaigning is costing his playing career. Ronaldo has been a machine for over a decade and he's built a bigger profile than every player on our team combined.
My only question would be, what if, like De Gea, Rashford was to return to his best form next season?
At the moment, it's a big if, but who's to say a new manager and new season won't give him a new lease of life?
That being said, I look at the impact Lingard had at West Ham. Maybe he just needs a new start.
I guess time will tell.
At the moment, it's a big if, but who's to say a new manager and new season won't give him a new lease of life?
That being said, I look at the impact Lingard had at West Ham. Maybe he just needs a new start.
I guess time will tell.
I think there should be a third option. Something like "renew if he's willing to lower his wages, otherwise sell"
The glaring difference though is that Ronaldo has built his profile/brand primarily on the back of being a consistently brilliant footballer.
Rashford, Lingard and the like, are building a profile/brand on the exposure they get from playing for Manchester Utd.
It's impossible to know for sure but, personally, I don't think Rashfords off field activities and profile, and his massive drop in form are a coincidence.
Lingard doesn't have much of a profile. Rashford has it from playing well for United. It's debatable whether Ronaldo still is a brilliant footballer.
I think his back injury was a bigger issue.
I remember there being a story a few weeks ago about him wanting to leave but I didn't think it was a big deal. If he isn't going to get game time, I don't care if he makes it known he wants to go. The links to different clubs is just what journalists speculate about.Uhm are you living under the rock ? He leaked out about the extension crap after we got hammered by City. Plus all of those supposed "interest" from Barca, Liverpool and City. Did you read that his phone keep ringing non stop from those clubs begging the Great Sir Rashford to join them ?Plus he leaked and bitched out about the lack of game time which of course caused by his shit performance itself.
Can he come to Arsenal please?
Definitely a no from my side regarding this summer. He earns to get another season. If he gets a new contract, it should be less fixum and more performance based salary. If he still performs like that in a year, we can talk about selling him.
Looks like his peak has passed. If not sell, then a loan spell could do him some good and hopefully spark him back to his best.
He is having a bad season, but he is still young 24 year old coming back from an injury and the fiasco of the euro final. He was one of of the best players when we got 2nd place, this year the whole team dropped except for De Gea. I want him to stay and be successful here and I really do believe a new manager and structure will help. If he wants to stay we should keep him if not then that's a different story.
Kinda funny how his PR team brought Barca into this. If anything it should lower his image if you think about it. If Barca is so desperate for him as reported, the same Barca that sold Messi and had to ask their players to cut their wages, they see an opportunity to lowball him or buy a cheap player. Just wanting to take a punt in case he comes good again. Its the case of buying something when its at its low price, more power to the buyer. Its not "come here we will pay you anything and place a red carpet for you". Daft PR team is daft. All it does is ruining the relationship between the player, club and fans.
Its not the case of a new contract or sell. Im fairly certain no club is willing to meet our valuation to sell him, nor do they want to meet his salary demands if its higher than current. Which means he will stay, just hope the contract will involve lots of bonuses based on performance. You do shit, no extra money for you. That or a loan to slap him with a dose of truth that hopefully gets him fired up again.
Its not the case of a new contract or sell. Im fairly certain no club is willing to meet our valuation to sell him, nor do they want to meet his salary demands if its higher than current. Which means he will stay, just hope the contract will involve lots of bonuses based on performance. You do shit, no extra money for you. That or a loan to slap him with a dose of truth that hopefully gets him fired up again.
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I didn't realize this was possible. In that case definitely extend by a year to revisit next season. If he does well we have to decide how much he's worth (won't be 200K pw). If he doesn't then we should still get a better offer than we would now given how badly he's playing.
I've wanted the club to sell him since last season, don't think he will ever become a top player.
Doesn't seem to have really improved any part of his game since he broke into the team.
Physically he looks a shell of himself, and mentally he doesn't seem to be right, maybe for his career a move elsewhere will help him.
Really hope we don't reward him with a big contract.
Doesn't seem to have really improved any part of his game since he broke into the team.
Physically he looks a shell of himself, and mentally he doesn't seem to be right, maybe for his career a move elsewhere will help him.
Really hope we don't reward him with a big contract.
He is only had one bad season, this one, so I would give him another chance he surely deserves it, maybe under a new manager he can at least find his past form, which was good.
Problem is that, considering how we have dealt with Pogba and Lingard, it's not out of the question to keep him until his contract runs out and then lose him for free.
Problem is that, considering how we have dealt with Pogba and Lingard, it's not out of the question to keep him until his contract runs out and then lose him for free.
Agreed. I find it weird that this pisses people off to the degree it has. Player not getting played uses the media to say he wants away...shocker. In reality it happens fairly regularly at almost every club. The strength of reaction is mostly down to it being Rashford.
For his age I'd say he's £60- £70 million if there is an offer in that range I'd take it, and try and get Raphinia from Leeds. I think most people wouldn't mind that.
Raphinha would be a huge upgrade for us at RW. Heck, Adama Traore would have been a huge upgrade.
It would be a struggle to get half of that.
£30MILLION? Or there abouts, clubs would snap there hands off if that's what he goes for.? DVB was more!
For a player whos playing incredibly poor, on the last year of his contract, and will be asking for high wages?
I'm not so sure.
He's been awful for about 12-18 months now.
Renewing his contract in hopes that he'll find form again is the kind of decisions that have drowned us.
Sell him or let him go for free, bring back the standard wether you perform or you're gone.
Renewing his contract in hopes that he'll find form again is the kind of decisions that have drowned us.
Sell him or let him go for free, bring back the standard wether you perform or you're gone.
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The wages of Rashford's next contract would cover the wages of at least 2 signings from Tielemans, Raphinha, Olise, or Richarlison.
He was never a world class talent to begin with. At his peak his stats were hiding poor performances. He's been dreadful for 12-18 months, and there's no sign of him improving. With his attitude issues, he looks to be regressing even further. He's Dele Alli 2.0 at this rate.
We'd have to have lost our minds completely to be resigning him instead.
He was never a world class talent to begin with. At his peak his stats were hiding poor performances. He's been dreadful for 12-18 months, and there's no sign of him improving. With his attitude issues, he looks to be regressing even further. He's Dele Alli 2.0 at this rate.
We'd have to have lost our minds completely to be resigning him instead.
Renew his contract, but cut his wage with more performance based bonuses and if he says no to that then sell him.
The wage structure here is a joke, we need rid of these over paid apparent ‘superstars’..Woodward well and truly screwed us didn’t he?
The wage structure here is a joke, we need rid of these over paid apparent ‘superstars’..Woodward well and truly screwed us didn’t he?
In his defence, last few seasons we were tactically awful team. I would give him next season under new manager. If he fails, sell.
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This is my thoughts on this too. Our team has been shit for 2 years get ETH in or someone else let them run the club not the board and see where we are at end of next season. Could be a risk but imagine him hitting form for a rival club in our league. Not good. Be like Van Persie to Arsenal all the years ago.
If the Glazers are happy for United to remain nothing more than a contender for fourth place in the PL then from their point of view it makes sense to keep Rashford. But from our point view, which is to say, seeing us become competitive again for the PL and CL trophies, we should look to unload Rashford, the details of which are critical but none of us are in a position to know how to pull that off.
What makes, or made, Marcus Rashford unique as a special player was his pace. He's not a striker and he's not a winger. He's ineffective through the center and on the right and only marginally effective on the left on his best day. He doesn't track back and he has no short passing game whatsover. He does have a powerful shot but his ability to get clear for a shot has almost vanished.
Let's put it this way: If United were so wealthy that we could afford to pay Mata 100k/week, Van De Beek 100k/week, Lingard 125k/week and Martial 250/week -- all useless players -- which sums up to (if my calculations are correct) 575k/week, after we get rid of them (I actually like VDB but he appears to have no future at OT and after how we've treated him he needs to leave) we can afford to keep Rashford on a super sub for 200-225k/week. And if he really thinks he can haul in 400k/week at a club like Newcastle...
What makes, or made, Marcus Rashford unique as a special player was his pace. He's not a striker and he's not a winger. He's ineffective through the center and on the right and only marginally effective on the left on his best day. He doesn't track back and he has no short passing game whatsover. He does have a powerful shot but his ability to get clear for a shot has almost vanished.
Let's put it this way: If United were so wealthy that we could afford to pay Mata 100k/week, Van De Beek 100k/week, Lingard 125k/week and Martial 250/week -- all useless players -- which sums up to (if my calculations are correct) 575k/week, after we get rid of them (I actually like VDB but he appears to have no future at OT and after how we've treated him he needs to leave) we can afford to keep Rashford on a super sub for 200-225k/week. And if he really thinks he can haul in 400k/week at a club like Newcastle...
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I'm curious to know (any employment law specialists out there?) when a player becomes a top quality one, I'm sure there are certain insurance contracts drawn up, to safeguard the club who 'owns him' against a career ending injury for example. Does anyone know if these insurance deals cover things outside of football, a car crash for example, or something else that might stop a player putting on the shirt again?
What I'm trying to say is, will any money be available should the worse happen or could this issue this cost the club millions which they just have to accept? I wonder what systems are in place (educationally speaking) to help young players at Man Utd. stay grounded when they suddenly become richer than rich? Player power has gone too far in my opinion, I bet if the manager tried to turn up at a house party and get his players home (as Sir Alex once did, I believe) I bet they would just tell him to get lost - especially when its a supply/interim one.
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The occasional poor performance is ok when you put the effort in. Rashfords main problem comes from a lack of effort and desire which is unacceptable.
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