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I think fans have the right to be skeptical about any transfer, especially one like this. 55 odd pages just seems a lot for an 18 year old that has not been transferred yet
That's it lads. We're now judging players on the number of pages they accumulate in the transfer forum. What a time to be alive!

Transfer season has well and truly arrived.
 

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Some people in this thread are having absolute shockers :lol:

I never understand how people get so invested in what a transfer is worth. If he signs, he signs. Who cares if it's for 10 quid or 100,000,000.

All I want to know is will he improve the team, the answer is more than likely yes.
 

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Some people in this thread are having absolute shockers :lol:

I never understand how people get so invested in what a transfer is worth. If he signs, he signs. Who cares if it's for 10 quid or 100,000,000.

All I want to know is will he improve the team, the answer is more than likely yes.
Bingo.
 

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Some people in this thread are having absolute shockers :lol:

I never understand how people get so invested in what a transfer is worth. If he signs, he signs. Who cares if it's for 10 quid or 100,000,000.

All I want to know is will he improve the team, the answer is more than likely yes.
Yep.
 

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You said that he wasn't labeled a "one-trick pony" and you were very vocal about it - well, he was. He was seen by many as a player who's life's goal was to dribble and he wasn't showing enough final product (how the times change). It was probably too harsh on him, and it wasn't for 4 years, like Ramscock said, but your reaction wasn't justified.
ok so does that mean i was denying Ronaldo was heavily criticised?
 

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Some people in this thread are having absolute shockers :lol:

I never understand how people get so invested in what a transfer is worth. If he signs, he signs. Who cares if it's for 10 quid or 100,000,000.

All I want to know is will he improve the team, the answer is more than likely yes.
But it's not only the high fee, his transfer thread also has to many pages for an 18 year old. 56 pages is far to much for an 18 year old from Porugal. Damn you Woody.
 

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We really don't know the ins and outs. We really don't know what we will spend. A kid being bought for that money, has as good a chance of making it here then anywhere else. We plan years down the line with an eye to the future. Who is to say, he won't be worth the money? If we spend anywhere near that money - then it's because we've made that decision. You had a similar reaction to Martial. It's what these players do on the pitch and how they conduct themselves off it. For every bargain that you get, it gives you more rope to spend. With some of the kids coming through - we could potentially save a fair bit of change anyway - we could build something great - again with an eye to the long term. So time will tell
 

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But it's not only the high fee, his transfer thread also has to many pages for an 18 year old. 56 pages is far to much for an 18 year old from Porugal. Damn you Woody.
:lol: I heard it from the grapevine that Woody won't start negotiations on a target until they've reached 100 pages on redcafe. Until then he's just not worthy.
 

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Thats what they do all the time anyway. Markovic played around 25 games before they sold him for £20m to L'Pool
Good for Benfica, they lose their players every year but If Sanches is the type of football material like Mensah or Rashford then we should at least consider. This may easily end the idea of playing Fellaini as deep midfielder and start rebuilding of midfield we've been waiting for.

Still early to say but he also doesn't look injury prone and that's what we could also use while Schweini have still time to get his knee together before 2017.

Sanches and possibly Kroos would be quite satisfying buff for a team that may be playing in Europa League next year.
 

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I will go back through history and find those posts about how he was viewed and people did call him a one trick pony, showboater, no end product etc.
 

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I think the shot was a fluke too.

I'm no Cristiano lover and he's beginning to annoy me. :p Sorry for this little bit of erm.. unsupportiveness towards our own player, but he does strike me as a show-off and one who goes for glory. I don't like players who enjoy basking under the limelight of the media (just look at the amount of attention he gets! posters of him already out so quickly!), but that's just me. He's good, and his skill can be breathtaking, but for a #7, I expect more than just fancy footwork.
Most overated 12mill I've yet seen.

As for rating that a good goal, yer havin a larf

In time he may come good, but whilst fullbacks watch the ball and not those quick feet he'll have to find some other trick to get past.

He's quick , has fast feet but cannot pass a ball accurately to save his life.

As to wether he's a team player is also arguable.

Conclusion...

could do much much better
and if fullbacks - good ones anyways watch the ball and not the feet how in the hell did ashely cole end up on his arse?
Actually he slipped.

That's how badly you want Ronaldo to succeed - pathetic.

You take a slip and call that putting a fullback on his arse.

He did little in that game and not much more in any other game apart from 20 mins against Bolton.

Uuugh yeah of course I forgot he got that dive nice against Stuttgart ;)
In the first half he made Cole look land on his arse and skinned him at least twice. By the second they'd worked him out - though that's easier to do when you're playing so defensively you can keep two players covering him, and let's not forget that was the most negative performance we've seen from Arsenal for years. The 'one-trick pony' tag is false - anyone who saw Sporting batter us pre-season knows he's got a few more up his socks, including one absolutely ridiculous one I can't even begin to describe where he sort of squirts the ball out from under his foot.
 

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Some people in this thread are having absolute shockers :lol:

I never understand how people get so invested in what a transfer is worth. If he signs, he signs. Who cares if it's for 10 quid or 100,000,000.

All I want to know is will he improve the team, the answer is more than likely yes.
Exactly. It's not my money, so why the feck should I be worried about any transfer fee?

I'll let the top class accountants and financial advisers employed by the club worry about the bottom line.
 

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Some people in this thread are having absolute shockers :lol:

I never understand how people get so invested in what a transfer is worth. If he signs, he signs. Who cares if it's for 10 quid or 100,000,000.

All I want to know is will he improve the team, the answer is more than likely yes.
It matters (or rather it's worth a discussion) when you imagine there's a limit on spending (even if it's a stupidly large amount).

I do agree though, that if he's a vital signing, then naturally he's going to be a priority over other signings anyway.
 

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A great goal from a powerful shot and a few nice passes for sure, but also some poor ones. Some nice runs. The main thing is he's physical, good power and speed. But Anderson had these things too.

I dont think Rashford is worth anywhere near the money thats being talked about for Sanchez, but I think he's shown far more in his role and against quality opposition. Watching Sanches twice against Bayern, he looked mediocre and not very effective and he was also pretty slow to track back. Not surprising for a young player, but one thats being talked about as an expensive player? These things are important and we'll be punished for them.

That doesn't mean that I dont think he should be a target. It just seems way too early for him to cost this much
I think money is the least of our concerns. We have tons of it. What we don't have are real quality starters.

Right now I think De Gea, Shaw, Martial, Smalling and Herrera (I know some will quibble with that one) look more than 50% likely to perform at that level over the next 3-4 years, and then it gets dicey as hell with seemingly talented guys who've struggled here in their first season (Memphis, Darmian, Schneiderlin) and youngsters with less than 15 starts (Rashford, Fosu-Mensah).

If there's a better CM prospect/young player than Sanches then sure, let's get him. But we need to be ambitious. And at CM, it's hard to see who looks more likely than Sanches to reach that level that we could actually sign, especially without CL football.

Anderson obviously had weight issues and such that kept him from producing here, but it's also hard to believe he'd have had the impact Sanches has had at 18 playing in a 2 man CM partnership on a top 15 side in Europe (Benfica's numbers when he plays or doesn't are significant) week after week.

So, maybe we are better off signing 2 young CMs for 30M a piece than Sanches alone for 60. That's fine too. I just can't get too worked up about fees when we're watching Fellaini and Rooney play CM. We need a very productive player at CM (and RW, too) and if it costs 60 instead of 40, that's not the end of the world for us.

So yes, if there is a Modric type out there who runs games with his passing and we can sign him then I'd take that too over a physically perfect CM with passing potential but shakiness at 18. But is there? I don't think Koke, Pogba or Verratti is coming here (though by all means, spend 80 on any of them over 60 on Sanches).

The question is who are the alternatives? If we love presumably cheaper guys like Oliver, Dahoud and Tolisso or whoever people like then sure, let's sign 2 of those instead of Sanches, but the scouts seem to rate Sanches and he's got tons of potential considering his age, physical attributes and play so far. I'll be excited if we sign him, and if he can't pass the ball any better than Schneiderlin or Fellaini I'll be furious we did it.

TLDR: I think I've been driven crazy by the Moyes/Van Gaal eras.
 

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Nothing much to comment other than what I think. It's hard to even judge a performance given that Benfica are clearly a superior team to Guimaraes, despite playing like they in 1st gear. On Sanches, it's clear that he has the physical capacity to hustle players in close proximity. It's admirable that we wants to try and be more expansive but other than pressing, his first touch and passing; longer than 10 yards has not been really impressive. Physical but not technical.

Then again, the opposition is not pushing Benfica enough.
 

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People should care about how much we pay for players.

We have big resources but we have even bigger needs right now. 5 quality players will cost a fortune.

We are a for-profit operation. We do not have an unlimited budget like City. We have to spend wisely too.
 

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Some people in this thread are having absolute shockers :lol:

I never understand how people get so invested in what a transfer is worth. If he signs, he signs. Who cares if it's for 10 quid or 100,000,000.

All I want to know is will he improve the team, the answer is more than likely yes.
This is what I have been saying for years!

I suppose I can just about understand it from the point of view that if we spent £60m on James Rodriguez, for example, then it's unlikely we'd make another big signing for a position we need to strengthen more, say a CB or Striker.

But generally, a big who cares. It's their money.
 

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People should care about how much we pay for players.

We have big resources but we have even bigger needs right now. 5 quality players will cost a fortune.

We are a for-profit operation. We do not have an unlimited budget like City. We have to spend wisely too.
This.
 

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People should care about how much we pay for players.

We have big resources but we have even bigger needs right now. 5 quality players will cost a fortune.

We are a for-profit operation. We do not have an unlimited budget like City. We have to spend wisely too.
Why worry about that? Clearly the men in charge would have a good control of our finances. It isn't like they would only check on Sep 1 regarding our financial position.

So what? He isnt tracking back any better than Cleverley and Anderson did, its not because of fitness regimes. Its an area to improve before he's bought for a fortune
He was a good midfielder before his derailment. It's not as if he was shit from day 1.
 

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Sanches just come off. Had a quiet second half. Cheeky Rabona from Jimenez which would have been mental if it came off. Benfica should be a couple more goals up really.
 

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Subbed off after 84 mins. Not one for the memory. Decent at simple things, expansive passing and first touch were off. Surrounded by technical players like Gaitan, Salvio etc to make up for.

The game picked up after 70 mins. Some tekkers on show!
 

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He had a quiet game tonight just like the rest of the Benfica team. They have played a lot of games in the last couple of months with almost no rotation and it's really starting to show, both Sanches and the rest of the Benfica players has looked fatigued in the last couple of weeks.

They play again on Monday night in the League Cup final against Braga so no rest yet for the Benfica players.
 

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Only the fourth time he's been substituted by Benfica this season. Impressive for an 18 year old. Not his best game. The whole team looked flat.
 

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Ridiculous theatrics every 2 minutes ruined the game unfortunately.
 
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