Irwinwastheking
Gimpier than Alex and Feeky
We know it's not going to happen, but I'd love it if it did.
This.We know it's not going to happen, but I'd love it if it did.
Agreed.I think it's the other way round - trophies and maybe some more cash too as a bonus.
RVP is an example of the problem, not the problem itself. That's a separate thread in the making.
Yet he decided to go to Barcelona and don't finish his career at Arsenal.Personally, I find that Van Persie is not even better than Rooney, Chicarito and Wellbeck. He's had a good season 2011-2012 and he's been the only decent scorer for his team.
These arse players should show some gratitude to their team and coach. Thierry Henry was a gentleman compared to those mercenaries.
He's not better than Chico or Welbeck? Give me a break!! And Henry won his medals at Arsenal so the decision to stay was easy for a while, and the decision to go was motivated by money in the end.Personally, I find that Van Persie is not even better than Rooney, Chicarito and Wellbeck. He's had a good season 2011-2012 and he's been the only decent scorer for his team.
These arse players should show some gratitude to their team and coach. Thierry Henry was a gentleman compared to those mercenaries.
Erm...Rooney, Ronaldo, etc...... Terrible posts!feck RVP. We make our own stars, not sign others'. Do not want.
You can have your reasons for not wanting him here but to say he isnt a better player than Welbeck and Hernandez is just insanity.Personally, I find that Van Persie is not even better than Rooney, Chicarito and Wellbeck. He's had a good season 2011-2012 and he's been the only decent scorer for his team.
These arse players should show some gratitude to their team and coach. Thierry Henry was a gentleman compared to those mercenaries.
Talented youngsters we made into stars. We hardly ever sign a 30yr old quality player. Or is he 29?Erm...Rooney, Ronaldo, etc...... Terrible posts!
You just singled out 2 of our biggest ever proofs that we make stars instead of signing them, in order to disagree with a post where he said 'we make stars, not sign them'.Erm...Rooney, Ronaldo, etc...... Terrible posts!
Bad examples, tbf.Erm...Rooney, Ronaldo, etc...... Terrible posts!
I want what you smoke man.Personally, I find that Van Persie is not even better than Rooney, Chicarito and Wellbeck. He's had a good season 2011-2012 and he's been the only decent scorer for his team.
These arse players should show some gratitude to their team and coach. Thierry Henry was a gentleman compared to those mercenaries.
Irwinwastheking;11909301Erm...Rooney said:We made those two talented youngsters stars.
You couldn't have picked a worse counter argument!.
Erm...Rooney, Ronaldo, etc...... Terrible posts!
You just singled out 2 of our biggest ever proofs that we make stars instead of signing them, in order to disagree with a post where he said 'we make stars, not sign them'.
Bad examples, tbf.
So Rooney wasn't a star when we bought him?? Ronaldo was a starlet I'll give you that, but Rooney was there already.You couldn't have picked a worse counter argument!
eric cantonafeck RVP. We make our own stars, not sign others'. Do not want.
Of course he wasn't a star.So Rooney wasn't a star when we bought him?? Ronaldo was a starlet I'll give you that, but Rooney was there already.
I was just looking through the list of United players on Wiki and a good percentage of those have been bought as stars, or well on their way! I love our youth policy, and am not one whose always into the transfer forum, but I would love this guy.
I'd disagree slightly with rio tbf.Neither Rio or Keane were established stars when we bought them, they were just recognised as having massive potential, which they fulfilled. And Cantona definitely wasn't a star, he wasn't even rated that highly when we got him, but SAF ended up getting the best out of him.
The last 'stars' we bought were probably Veron and RVN back in 02/03. Maybe Berbatov in 07 (at a push, because of his fee and age), other than that it's all been potentially great players or well established PL players capable of making the step up.
He was quality and it shone through. As I say I'd disagree ever so slightly but no debating he rest really. I know he got stick for being too much of a footballer. crazy.Rio had a big reputation but got slated to shite at Leeds and everyone thought we completely overpaid for him.
Who said we made them? Rooney wasn't one of the best players in the world when we bought him, he is now. Rio wasn't one of the greatest center backs of his generation when we bought him, he is now.You can't buy players for record transfer fees and say you 'made' them.
Rooney was a star. You don't have to be one of the worlds elite, nor do you have to be at your peak to be a star.Neither were stars, it's an awful example, give up.
Thanks for making my point then, we do buy stars.Neither Rio or Keane were established stars when we bought them, they were just recognised as having massive potential, which they fulfilled. And Cantona definitely wasn't a star, he wasn't even rated that highly when we got him, but SAF ended up getting the best out of him.
The last 'stars' we bought were probably Veron and RVN back in 02/03. Maybe Berbatov in 07 (at a push, because of his fee and age), other than that it's all been potentially great players or well established PL players capable of making the step up.
At least one of them if not both would've became one of the world's best players regardless of where they moved to. Both of them were named in the Euro 2004 team of the tournament (Rooney 18, Ronaldo 19). Rooney was named in it despite playing less than 20 of the 22 others, and he had the best goals per minute ratio. Rooney's the youngest player to appear in the Euro team of the tournament, and Ronaldo's the second youngest, and they're two of just 6 players to appear in it under the age of 21 (Bene, Breitner, Hoeness, Maldini being the others, only one of which was still in his teens). Let's not try and take too much credit for their development, they were exceptional young talents who with the right guidance were always going to turn into world-class players. Let's not be so arrogant as to believe that we're one of a select few clubs who can provide the right guidance to young players to develop their game. We might well be one of the best but many clubs are capable of developing their players well.We made those two talented youngsters stars.
No one's actually saying all that though Brwned. People are just saying we buy young players and groom them rather than signing 30yr olds for huge money when they're already top notch players. We very rarely buy the RVPs of the world.At least one of them if not both would've became one of the world's best players regardless of where they moved to. Both of them were named in the Euro 2004 team of the tournament (Rooney 18, Ronaldo 19). Rooney was named in it despite playing less than 20 of the 22 others, and he had the best goals per minute ratio. Rooney's the youngest player to appear in the Euro team of the tournament, and Ronaldo's the second youngest, and they're two of just 6 players to appear in it under the age of 21 (Bene, Breitner, Hoeness, Maldini being the others, only one of which was still in his teens). Let's not try and take too much credit for their development, they were exceptional young talents who with the right guidance were always going to turn into world-class players. Let's not be so arrogant as to believe that we're one of a select few clubs who can provide the right guidance to young players to develop their game. We might well be one of the best but many clubs are capable of developing their players well.
10 years ago you numpty.Rooney was a star. You don't have to be one of the worlds elite, nor do you have to be at your peak to be a star.
Thanks for making my point then, we do buy stars.
This is going off topic, maybe I could have picked better examples, but to say that we don't buy stars is crazy. We were trying to by Wesley last summer, was he not a star? All I'm saying is that I would love to see him, I'm sure SAF has thought about it, but I can't see it happening.
Brwned, none of that is wrong, but it also wasn't the argument. The argument was that we do not buy players like RVP, like I mentioned above. He's too old and would cost too much. Nobody is arguing how much talent Rooney & Ronaldo had and how likely they were to become great players.At least one of them if not both would've became one of the world's best players regardless of where they moved to. Both of them were named in the Euro 2004 team of the tournament (Rooney 18, Ronaldo 19). Rooney was named in it despite playing less than 20 of the 22 others, and he had the best goals per minute ratio. Rooney's the youngest player to appear in the Euro team of the tournament, and Ronaldo's the second youngest, and they're two of just 6 players to appear in it under the age of 21 (Bene, Breitner, Hoeness, Maldini being the others, only one of which was still in his teens). Let's not try and take too much credit for their development, they were exceptional young talents who with the right guidance were always going to turn into world-class players. Let's not be so arrogant as to believe that we're one of a select few clubs who can provide the right guidance to young players to develop their game. We might well be one of the best but many clubs are capable of developing their players well.
I was just taking it off on a tangent to make a point really. To say we 'made' Rooney or Ronaldo to me is a gross overstatement and terribly unfair to the two individuals themselves. Ronaldo in particular would've become one of the best players in the world at almost any big club, I reckon, because his desire to be the best is his defining feature as a player/professional.No one's actually saying all that though Brwned. People are just saying we buy young players and groom them rather than signing 30yr olds for huge money when they're already top notch players. We very rarely buy the RVPs of the world.
He said we made them stars. They were already stars by the age of 19, that was my point/argument.10 years ago you numpty.
Forget the word 'star' then, seeing as we seem to disagree here. But surely you can acknowledge that we just don't buy players like RVP. A 29 year old who would cost a bomb and demand huge wages, in a position we're well stocked up in.
The closest I can think of to that is Berbatov but he was only 27.
Like I said, for the majority, we buy youngsters with the potential to be great players, not already great players. That's what Chelsea and City try to do.
Brwned, none of that is wrong, but it also wasn't the argument. The argument was that we do not buy players like RVP, like I mentioned above. He's too old and would cost too much. Nobody is arguing how much talent Rooney & Ronaldo had and how likely they were to become great players.
This was basically my point.I do agree that it's extremely rare for us to spend big money on established, world class players who only have a few years left at their peak.
I still am.And you're usually a man of sense!
Too trueI know he's class, it's just really against our policy to spend so much on a player of his age with an injury record like that.
But yeah, never ever.
Ofcourse, both of them were immensely talented and certain to succeed almost everywhere. Its also about getting the right guidance and chance at the right age though. We are among the few top clubs in the world that always gives youth a chance even at the cost of bigger better known players.I was just taking it off on a tangent to make a point really. To say we 'made' Rooney or Ronaldo to me is a gross overstatement and terribly unfair to the two individuals themselves. Ronaldo in particular would've become one of the best players in the world at almost any big club, I reckon, because his desire to be the best is his defining feature as a player/professional.
I do agree that it's extremely rare for us to spend big money on established, world class players who only have a few years left at their peak.