Ronaldo & Maguire power struggle

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That’s two from two of our most unhappy looking, poorest performers wading through Twitter for negative tweets about them, even when they’re not tagged in. Can’t be a coincidence?
To be fair they likely don’t have to wade through Twitter to find it. I’m sure once these articles get posted they likely receive a constant stream of comments @ing and abusing them. It’s interesting two high profile players have fought back though against toxic stories when usually it’s just ignored - maybe they’ve been advised to change approach to deal with the constant stream of bullshit that is being printed.
 

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I wouldn't mind, but club captain is more of a ceremonial thing anyway. Doing the toss at the start of the game, etc. Does it really matter who does that? feck me, we've had Ashley Young and Antonio Valencia doing it in recent years. Who cares.

It has zero bearing on how we play. People don't need to be captain to have authority on the team.
 

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Because he listens to the media, 100% believes it, and jumps on the "Anti-whoever is playing poorly at the time" bandwagon, like a feckload of other United fans.
:lol: you what, do I? News to me, I've been defending Maguire against a storm for ages on here, up until this season as its much harder to do so as he's been crap, and still hope he can turn it around. Sorry Big Andy, never ever seen one of your posts before, and you've clearly never seen mine either, you're talking bobbins. What a truly crap post.
 

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There could be something in it, certainly a possibility that Ronaldo is undermining Maguires captaincy and affecting his authority. Although I suspect it has been blown out of proportion of course.

In terms of changing the captaincy though you wouldn't give it to Ronaldo anyway, a very individualistic player who is at the twilight of his career and is going to be here a maximum of 2 years possibly not even that. The other option is bruno who is probably to emotional for it.

The only other player in the squad who could be the captain is probably Mctom but its probably a couple of years away from being a realistic option.

So I reckon we are stuck with captain maguire for a while yet.
Agree. Maguire is far from a great captain but who are the other options?

DDG won't even command his backline.
Ronaldo is so self-absorbed and petulant he'd risk alienating players. He won't even celebrate when his teammates score a lot of the time
Bruno is a decent candidate but quite sulky.
Probably McT is the best candidate, as mentioned by Ralf but that would send people crazy on here.
I suppose DDG would be the safe option. Meek and inoffensive to most.
 

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It was only about 6 months ago everyone was digging Lindelof out saying he was shite. Now all of a sudden he's our second best defender?

There's a hell of a lot of United fans hanging on every word that the media put out there. The Talksport posse of Simon Jordan, Jamie O'Hara and people of his ilk (i.e utter wankers who have no idea of what goes on at OT behind closed doors) and the snivelling little press toads like Luckhurst and Stone who despite having access to press conferences, ask inane pointless questions and report nonsense that they've either made up, or put 2 and 2 together and got 4.

If United fans want us to be better on the pitch, then they need to stop dropping to their knees and taking the media length in their mouths. The media know that United = clicks, and they'll forever continue with this until the cows come home. Just don't give them the satisfaction of rising to it. The reason that you don't hear of stuff like this at Liverpool, Chelsea, City, etc isn't that it doesn't occur, it's just that nobody really gives a feck and it doesn't generate the engagement they crave. Look at Lukaku earlier in the season, saying he wants to go back to Inter, there was a couple of days of articles, and then it's dropped. This Maguire thing has been rumbling on for months now, and he's been injured for most of that.

The new generation of fans who support players more than the club are partly the problem, the fan cam channels spilling vitriol at players who are out of form are another, Twitter FC with their anonymity slagging off everyone. What happened to supporting the team on the pitch?

Maguire is out of form and has made a few mistakes, yes, but the likes of Ole, Ralf, Southgate have all made him captain in their time so I'd rather trust their judgement rather than some cnut sat in his underpants frantically bashing away on his laptop.
Always great to hear from somebody who knows better than the rest....Maguire is not fit to be a United captain and as a player he´s just not good enough...just wake up man and compare him to Van Dijk and a blind man could see he´s not half the player Van Dijk is...he´s so slow it´s like a tankship turning and he can not play a role in a team trying to press or play higher up the pitch...the performances this season are so bad it´s clear he´s a weakness in the team and he would not get into any of the top teams in the UK or Europe...We had Rio, Vidic,Stam,Pallister and Bruce...he´s nowhere near that standard.

You state that IF fans want the team to get better "they need to stop dropping to their knees and taking the media lenght in their mouths" . That´s a interesting take on things. You also state that the same things are going on at Liverpoo, Chelsea, City but why are there just leaks from the United dressing room? Are you serious that the "great" UK press would not take a story from the other clubs in an instant to publish that? Klopp and Pep do not allow any bullshit and run a tight ship.

Then you fall into the trap of stating that if you criticise the player or players you are not supporting the team on the pitch. What a utter pice of bollocks that is, you are talking about players at United that are being paid rather well and of course they should be criticised if they are playing as poorly as Maguire is. In what world do you live in man, there is always expectations and pressure if you are a elite sportsperson. It´s just plain for everybody with a set of eyes that Maguire is just not good enough to warrant a starting place at Man Utd. That is my opinion based on watching every United game as I´ve done for the past 30 years. Look at this clip and state again that Maguire is just out of form and has made a FEW mistakes
Then you state that you do not listen to what " some cnut sat in his underpants frantically bashing away on his laptop." writes. That´s really quite funny but I suggest that you get dressed now, go outside and buy ourself a pair of glasses and have them on when you watch the next United game.
 

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I didn't even think Maguire should have had it last season, Bruno was the better option.

Now we have a serial winner, multi-time Balon D'or winner and United legend at the Club, I fail to see why it hasn't been passed over.

If Maguire had won some major honors himself, sure. But he's done feck all.
 

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To be fair they likely don’t have to wade through Twitter to find it. I’m sure once these articles get posted they likely receive a constant stream of comments @ing and abusing them. It’s interesting two high profile players have fought back though against toxic stories when usually it’s just ignored - maybe they’ve been advised to change approach to deal with the constant stream of bullshit that is being printed.
I hope that neither of them have anything to do with any of it. Such a toxic fecking hellhole. Their accounts should be 100% managed by their own or the club’s PR advisers.
 

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Agree. Maguire is far from a great captain but who are the other options?

DDG won't even command his backline.
Ronaldo is so self-absorbed and petulant he'd risk alienating players. He won't even celebrate when his teammates score a lot of the time
Bruno is a decent candidate but quite sulky.
Probably McT is the best candidate, as mentioned by Ralf but that would send people crazy on here.
I suppose DDG would be the safe option. Meek and inoffensive to most.
What makes McTominay the best option? Genuine question, I just don't see it but have heard this said several times.
 

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"Maguire shouldnt be captain"
"Maguire doesnt have any leadership skills"

Like the fans would know, reminds me of how the Liverpool fans was against Henderson couple a years ago when they ment VVD should be captain.

We know feck all about who should be the captain
 

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To be fair they likely don’t have to wade through Twitter to find it. I’m sure once these articles get posted they likely receive a constant stream of comments @ing and abusing them. It’s interesting two high profile players have fought back though against toxic stories when usually it’s just ignored - maybe they’ve been advised to change approach to deal with the constant stream of bullshit that is being printed.
The only way it would get dealt with is by no longer giving the media access to them. I.e. no twitter posts and selecting which journos the club talks to/allows into press conferences, etc. Journos aren't going to care about players calling out their bullshit, because as you can see from this thread there's a plentiful supply of people who would probably still believe a story about Maguire and Ronaldo having a punch up in a bar, if it supposedly occured while they were both playing a game for Man Utd on live television.

I mean I'm not a fan of Maguire at all but what is he even defending himself from here? The story makes no sense and even if it were true who fecking cares.
 

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"Maguire shouldnt be captain"
"Maguire doesnt have any leadership skills"

Like the fans would know, reminds me of how the Liverpool fans was against Henderson couple a years ago when they ment VVD should be captain.

We know feck all about who should be the captain
This.

People dont understand what a captain does, which makes it worse. So managers who think he has leadership skills, who work with him day in day out have no idea what qualities he has but a group of fans who have a narrative do.
 

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"Maguire shouldnt be captain"
"Maguire doesnt have any leadership skills"

Like the fans would know, reminds me of how the Liverpool fans was against Henderson couple a years ago when they ment VVD should be captain.

We know feck all about who should be the captain
Well put. When multiple managers choose you to be captain, there's something they know. When fans decide they know better than managers and repeatedly state that someone doesn't have leadership qualities because they don't think he does, its silly.
 

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This would be as much of a struggle as the US navy vs the islands of Vanuatu. Should have become a sports "journalist". Easiest job ever.
 

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It's just so pointless wet and predictable. Social media of footballers is utterly tragic. The daft little emojis and empty hollow words.
Enlighten us. What do you think they should be saying on their social media?
 

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Enlighten us. What do you think they should be saying on their social media?
Erm its obvious what these fans want, "yes the Mirror is right, me and cristiano do not see eye to eye". Maguire coming out does not help these fans narrative.
 

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Enlighten us. What do you think they should be saying on their social media?
I don't care about social media when it comes to sportsmen, it's all boring. I'd genuinely rather hear their opinions on Monster Munch than the empty words they talk after wins and loses. Much much more interesting.
 

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I follow Man Utd since 1990, and Maguire is the worst captain I have ever seen. He lacks leadership, authority, determination, stability and charisma as well as footballing abilities.
Hmm ok so you missed Valencia and Young in those 30 years. Even Captain Rooney was shite living off his past glories. Captain of United means feck all and hasn’t for a long time.
Personally find it bizarre anyone believes this shite media story, it’s open season on United and some people just love a bit of negativity about the club they’re supposed to support.
 
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"Maguire shouldnt be captain"
"Maguire doesnt have any leadership skills"

Like the fans would know, reminds me of how the Liverpool fans was against Henderson couple a years ago when they ment VVD should be captain.

We know feck all about who should be the captain
I think it’s somewhere in the middle. Maguire was a good captain that we needed at the time. However, we have evolved as a team, signed better players who are also leaders (example. Bruno) and we also have a new manager. The captaincy definitely needs reviewing.
 

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He could have just ignored it.
If we’ve learned anything about these players it’s their desire for good PR when things aren’t going right.

People can believe it or not that’s up to them but a denial means nothing imo. There’s clearly issues within the dressing room and these things are very rarely completely made up. More will come to light in time.
 

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Utter rubbish. Why do we give this stuff the time of day?

I thought, in the transfer thread for example, that new threads have to come from a credible source?
 

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If we’ve learned anything about these players it’s their desire for good PR when things aren’t going right.

People can believe it or not that’s up to them but a denial means nothing imo. There’s clearly issues within the dressing room and these things are very rarely completely made up. More will come to light in time.
What has come to light on this occasion?
 

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I don't care about social media when it comes to sportsmen, it's all boring. I'd genuinely rather hear their opinions on Monster Munch than the empty words they talk after wins and loses. Much much more interesting.
People generally post what matters to them on social media, rather than what other people want them to post.
 

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Agree. Maguire is far from a great captain but who are the other options?

DDG won't even command his backline.
Ronaldo is so self-absorbed and petulant he'd risk alienating players. He won't even celebrate when his teammates score a lot of the time
Bruno is a decent candidate but quite sulky.
Probably McT is the best candidate, as mentioned by Ralf but that would send people crazy on here.
I suppose DDG would be the safe option. Meek and inoffensive to most.
Severe lack of captaincy options when you look at it compared to a SAF team when we had so many that could step up and fill the role.
Id probably give it to Bruno if I had to pick from that list.