Rummenigge: Some players may think about it in future, to join a club like this.
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The relationship the player has with other members of the team and fans is a lot different when you've been 10 years at the club and is a record holder vs a player that has played half a season in the league.
This is all getting overblown IMO.
Mourinho doesn't see him in his plans. Tells him to seek a new club.
Schweinsteiger by reports doesn't want to do that(because well, who'd pay his wages?), and so would rather stay and collect his wages and not feature in all likelihood.
Oh, but new managers never come in and tell players to leave.
Mourinho doesn't see him in his plans. Tells him to seek a new club.
Schweinsteiger by reports doesn't want to do that(because well, who'd pay his wages?), and so would rather stay and collect his wages and not feature in all likelihood.
Oh, but new managers never come in and tell players to leave.
Mourinho always said he wants a core 22 players. He now has that...or will do once we get Pogba.
The others who remain will be part of the bigger squad. Its up to players like Bastian to prove they want to be part of the 22. If a player in the originall 22 does not perform, he will be dropped and replaced by a player who proves himself.
Its not up to Morinho. Its up to Bastian to prove himself.
The others who remain will be part of the bigger squad. Its up to players like Bastian to prove they want to be part of the 22. If a player in the originall 22 does not perform, he will be dropped and replaced by a player who proves himself.
Its not up to Morinho. Its up to Bastian to prove himself.
"To prove himself"? Lmao for what? Europa League? Premier league upper mid table?
Take it easy people. Schweini's got nothing to prove to anyone.
Take it easy people. Schweini's got nothing to prove to anyone.
unbelievable Jeff!
Liverpool did it to Torres, Balotelli, Suarez and Borini under different managers. Juventus did it to Mirko Vucinic. Newcastle did it to Joey Barton, City did it to Tevez and Bellamy, Spurs did it to Adebayor.
Why should a player up for sale train with the first team? Thats like getting a player from a rival team to train with the team, giving away tactics and secrets. There's no point in it.
He obviously has according to the manager. That is what should concern Bastian.
Mourinho is going for the title and every trophy he can win.
Currently he thinks Bastian cannot do the job.
That one came right out of the RAWK school of analogies!
Why?
Surely a manager should have full authority on who to keep or sell .
Every club does that.
Completely agree. If Mourinho doesn't want him he should accept he's gone.
Some Bayern fans on here are so condescending. You'd think that 10 years ago there were also not struggling both home and abroad. You'd think they would have the clarity of thought to realize that things change.
Bastian has had an amazing career. But the key word here is had. I doubt Jose really cares about what he did in the past. It's mostly what he did last season,and that player is hardly worth keeping.
He won't play so I'm sure he'll get the message sooner or later.
He can train with the reserves to help keep him for for his next team.
Sadly I think we will have to subsidize part of his next wage. But I'd rather we take the financial hit and move on.
Bad purchase all round.
Don't see why it's an issue. Fully agreed. If a manager tells you that you're not in his plans, I feel the player should accept it and seek a new club. If he says he wants to stay and fight(like Schweinsteiger reportedly has) and the manager's mind remains unchanged, it reflects poorly on Schweinsteiger IMO for him to stay.
@K2K Yup to both of you.
The manager says you can leave or not playing any games, Schweinsteiger says I wants to stay. So what Jose can do now? Keeping him without playing him a single game and let him take our 200k per week for doing nothing? There is a reason why Pep prefers Xavi Alonso not Schweinsteiger.
Jose put Schweinsteiger in a transfer list because Jose doesn't see Schweinsteiger in his plan, it means he's not in Jose's first team list so he's training with reserve team now. It's a common treatment that every players always receive in any clubs.
Jose didn't buy Schweinsteiger, but LVG did. Nor a club's legend. So what kind of respect that everyone expect Jose to show? It's not like Jose has to show a responsibility of players that LVG signed. And also the rumour said Schweinsteiger is told by Jose to find a new clubs, we aren't holding him in reserves so it's different situation compare to Valdes.
Jose put Schweinsteiger in a transfer list because Jose doesn't see Schweinsteiger in his plan, it means he's not in Jose's first team list so he's training with reserve team now. It's a common treatment that every players always receive in any clubs.
Jose didn't buy Schweinsteiger, but LVG did. Nor a club's legend. So what kind of respect that everyone expect Jose to show? It's not like Jose has to show a responsibility of players that LVG signed. And also the rumour said Schweinsteiger is told by Jose to find a new clubs, we aren't holding him in reserves so it's different situation compare to Valdes.
Yeah, and he was one of the worst performers of the team which finished upper mid table
Did you not watch him play for us last season? I don't give a feck how good he was in Germany or how many cups/appearences he has accumulated. The minute he becomes a United player I also expect a certain standard and he was far below that standard. He might have proved himself as one of the greatest midfielder of all time in other teams however he still has it all to prove as a United player. I don't understand how people cannot grasp this.
His performances were genuinely quite poor and he was very unfit even when he wasn't injured. His movement and mobility reminded me of a cow. Aside from his playing ability, which he evidently didn't display last season; he was meant to be a leader and positive influence in the dressing room and this is half the reason we signed him. From what I've gathered he spent more time in Munich last season than with the squad. Not much of an influence at all, if true.
Shaw didn't even mention him in an interview last season when questioned about characters in the dressing room, which indicates strongly to me that his relationship with the squad wasn't as close as we would like. At the very least, he was definitely not the charismatic leader that we hoped he would be for our squad. With him being made to train with the u21s; it further confirms he can't have been much of an influence at all. You simply don't send an important dressing room character to the reserves. Mourinho can be a cnut at times but he is also smart.
So all in all, he has been below par as both a player and as a character for our club. Glad we're getting rid. 200k a week warrants a lot more than that. I would get a bit sentimental if he was someone like Scholes or Giggs and the same thing happened, but he is your legend, not ours.
As for the manner in which this has been handled with the whole u21 bollocks, I couldn't care less. Mourinho wants 22 players in his first team squad and he is not one of them, hence he is not training with them. Now it is up to Bastian if he want's to show Mourinho that he was wrong. If not, then he can stop sulking and gtfo. Even Januzaj is more of a United legend than BFS and he is getting the same treatment if not worse and I don't see anybody complaining. I mean, at least the latter provided us one season of excitement and hope. I feel more sorry for him, if anything.
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No it's not common, it's is classless! It's a question of professional courtesy. Bastian is legend as far as football is concerned. And while he doesn't have the right to walk into the new manager's plan, there is no need to send him to the reserves when it's not like him training with first team with overload the first team coaches or disrupt the team's season, neither is he causing any disruption in the dressing room. If this happened at City our fans would be calling City names.
Have you considered that including him in training would be detrimental to the squad in terms of cohesion and resources. Why would a company devote resources to an employee it wants out?
How is that a classless? Any players in transfer list will not train with first team and has to find their new club. Clubs do that to any players. The fans need to take away their personal feeling and understand if the manager wants to build their own team. You are being biased by saying Schweinsteiger has to walk into Jose's plan based on personal feeling "because Schweinsteiger is a legend in football". Just because he used to be a great player doesn't mean manager isn't allowed to make their own team and plan. I couldn't care less what City does with their players.
Basti is still collecting his wages, and the amount is huge for a player of his age and fitness level. He does not look fit, he is not able to contribute to the progress of the team on the pitch, thus he was moved to reserves. He is not entitled to be in the first team no matter what. He needs to deserve it. He is entitled to his salary, and he is getting it. I am with Mou on this one. Playing a victims card by Basti's camp is a low thing indeed. If Basti is unhappy, he will ask to leave. By not leaving, Schweiny is basically saying that he is happy to be earning huge wages. If he is happy, why would we be upset?
But Pep has banished some players to the reserves too. Just this week.
Unless people are only arguing that it only becomes wrong when done to Bastian.
Let's be honest, BFS is on disgusting wages. He was poor and unfit last season and is well beyond his best. Apparently, most of the other players were pretty pissed off with the special treatment he received last season, as well as his attitude.
From a club perspective, he should be moved on asap. I don't think he has much of anything to offer us. I don't have anything against him, in fact I have huge respect for the career he's had. But we don't owe him anything. The media leaks are pretty distasteful IMO.
From a club perspective, he should be moved on asap. I don't think he has much of anything to offer us. I don't have anything against him, in fact I have huge respect for the career he's had. But we don't owe him anything. The media leaks are pretty distasteful IMO.
Well, he could've ended his career in Bayern, maybe playing a lot less but still in decent wages and without a lot of drama around him, instead he decided to join United, a team that wasn't "too hot" at that moment so at least some gratitude should be nice.
I mean, it's not like his life is ruined and his 200k a week aren't enough compensation, but there's more polite ways to do things. If Scholes left for Madrid being 31 and after a single season Capello sent him to play with Castilla the Caf would go nuts defending him. And rightfully so
Bastion Bogarde.
We'll know this time next year I guess
He left Bayern because he could not get into their starting 11 and was deemed to be a surplus by Pep. So, he decided to join United under LvG where he could earn more though contributing less compared to his Bayern days. During his first season at Utd he did not show anything of the good old BFS form, however LVG still tolerated this. In came Mou, saw that Basti is past his best and obviously told him that he is not in the manager's plans. Most of the players under the circumstances would start looking for a new club, however Basti seemingly prefers to see his contract out. It is his right just as it is ours to send him train with U21s. Was not he supposed to be a valuable asset as a mentor? If so, the youngsters need him the most then.
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Some players might think twice before taking United for a ride and just sit there and collect wages.. like they do at clubs like Man City and Chelsea.
Well in that case Rummenigge.. Jose is doing the right thing and you can kindly feck off.
Well in that case Rummenigge.. Jose is doing the right thing and you can kindly feck off.
Can I get an Amen
Somebody please give him/her a like for the post.This situation is reminiscent of Roy Keane, Malouda, Berbatov etc.
Players who are reminded that they are not required for the team, each due to different circumstances(Each took it and behaved differently).
Roy Keane took exception as he had done so much for the club and turned bitter towards the manager. Malouda was happy to stay in reserves and earn his wage. Berbatov wanted to fight for his place. He played well in the limited minutes he got instead of a lesser player Welbeck. Team suffered as a result, but the manager has already made up his mind for investing in potential rather than performance. Hence he left next season.
Each day thousands lose their jobs, everyone doesn't go to media and claim as a victim. At the end of the day instead of mud slinging in media, they have to find a new club and continue their career.
Regarding the rummeningge, after the muller saga he is just scared of the Premier league money and want to keep hold of his stars.
Players who are reminded that they are not required for the team, each due to different circumstances(Each took it and behaved differently).
Roy Keane took exception as he had done so much for the club and turned bitter towards the manager. Malouda was happy to stay in reserves and earn his wage. Berbatov wanted to fight for his place. He played well in the limited minutes he got instead of a lesser player Welbeck. Team suffered as a result, but the manager has already made up his mind for investing in potential rather than performance. Hence he left next season.
Each day thousands lose their jobs, everyone doesn't go to media and claim as a victim. At the end of the day instead of mud slinging in media, they have to find a new club and continue their career.
Regarding the rummeningge, after the muller saga he is just scared of the Premier league money and want to keep hold of his stars.
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This is the attitude that stinks. Any player that thinks he's bigger or better than the club AND doesn't perform to expectations should expect to be axed.
I still like BS and wouldn't mind keeping him, but he'd really need to show more than he has so far. Past achievements for other clubs don't interest me one bit once he plays for us.
I'll enjoy his past achievements on YouTube after he retires.
Agree, but not just his stars, he's afraid of the Bundesliga getting weaker in general.
There's lots of negative press about the PL in Germany coming from club officials and league heads.
Sky Germany has an ad for the coming Bundesliga season: "the best league in the world is back"
Totally this, at the end of the day, the consequences of whatever decision made will be on the manager hands. So, he should be the one who make the call.
The same thing is happening to me right now. A number of us are getting made redundant, we're at the bottom of the pile of things the company cares about right now as we have no leaving date, can't look for new jobs until the contract has been signed etc. I feel soooo let down by the company....but wait
I'm getting a year's salary for leaving, 'working' from home for a month before they decide how the new structure looks and I have to hand my work over which will take a month or two we think and will have to come into the office on the odd day to do so.
Ie. Should I feel a grudge to the company for treating us like shite the last 6 months, absolutely and I wouldnt recommend the company to my worst enemy. Should anyone feel sorry for me, absolutely not. Now imagine if you're a legendary midfielder earning millions and clubs are fighting to get your signature...hmmm
I'm getting a year's salary for leaving, 'working' from home for a month before they decide how the new structure looks and I have to hand my work over which will take a month or two we think and will have to come into the office on the odd day to do so.
Ie. Should I feel a grudge to the company for treating us like shite the last 6 months, absolutely and I wouldnt recommend the company to my worst enemy. Should anyone feel sorry for me, absolutely not. Now imagine if you're a legendary midfielder earning millions and clubs are fighting to get your signature...hmmm
Thankfully United are not run by idiots (sometimes). He's an ageing player, showing signs he's past it. He has it all to prove, regardless of if he was the bestest midfielder/pig farmer ever or whatever in Germany. You might have had a point if he was at his peak, but he's not even remotely close to that.
I'm with Mourinho
I think most reasonable fans are.
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Torres, Tevez and Suarez all wanted out and Balotelli and Barton had massive behaviourial issues. Tevez was actually a mixture of both now that I think about it (refusing to be subbed on in the champions league).
Yet, none of those are quite comparable to the treatment Schweinstiger is getting imo. I don't recall Torres, Tevez or Suarez being forced to train with reserves indefinitely and having their locker physically moved such that they have zero contact with the main squad. I'm not sure what the Juve to Vucinic issue was but Id like to be shown how it was the same treatment.
Adebayor fair enough, but he's far less professional than Schweinsteiger. Wasn't he also a loanee for most the time?
There's clearly a stirr with bastian for a reason,when there wasn't one at the time with your other players. It's just random and mostly uncalled for relative to the other examples.